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Art Plagiarism
« on: July 22, 2011, 08:15:25 am »
This is old news to most, but last night I was having a conversation with a friend of mine (who is an artist himself) and we ended up talking about plagiarism within the art community and somehow the conversation ended back onto the topic of Nick Simmons   (yes, son to Gene) and the whole **** storm he brought on himself. It's a pretty blatant ripoff from other sources which leaves us scratching our heads "why even bother when you know what the outcome is going to be?"

We talk about this stuff a lot because we both have been swiped from a few times on Deviant Art. It's just a crazy little world that breeds a lot of thievery. I've lost count how many times stuff that I have colored gets saved and then reposted onto another gallery site where they claim to be the colorist. Sigh.


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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 12:25:33 pm »
I have mixed feelings about this. Over the years I've had a lot of artwork stolen and kind of got used to it. Nobody ever made a lot of money from it though and I didn't hold the final artwork so had no control anyway. These days thanks to digital I can keep hold of the artwork and supply digital copies so I guess its a bit easier to protect.  These days I just figure if people want to take it and claim it as their own there is not much I can do about it. But they will be in trouble if they get a commission from it since how can they do anything original in my style? They will have to contact me to do it for them or  loose the commission. Maybe they take deposits and never deliver, but in the end hopefully they will get tracked down.
If somebody takes a piece of mine and it makes them a lot of fame and  cash that's great, because I can sue them and get the cash.

As for plagiarism it all depends on how its done and what the intent is.  What Nick Simmons did was all a bit of a mistake. I get the impression he really liked bleach and  let it influence him too much. Now as A kid when i was learning I did the same thing with my personal art. I copied a lot of stuff. I don't know a lot about it butt seems like he did the same thing but coz his Dad is rich he got his "practice" published. In reality he just wasn't ready. I feel a little sorry for him for not owning up before it was published and making changes. Ow he's probably messed up his credibility for ever. At least with fanatical manga fans who will never forget and remind everybody when ever he does anything new.

I use reference a for most of my work though I do tend to use photo reference but there is no harm in using reference from any source as long as you are not exactly reproducing the original. However where is the line drawn? With Nick Simmons some stuff is clearly copied and other stuff no more than referenced : http://bleachness.livejournal.com/446299.html


For the most part I take plagiarism as a compliment that does no real harm to me. Perhaps it even helps the plagiarizer's ego so that's a good thing  right?  Since they are so mentally deranged and  I assume unskilled that the only way they can make them selves feel good is by claiming they produced the work of some other. If its done for profit  we can expose and sue them.

That's all I can think of for now.

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 12:33:04 pm »
Well, I don't have issues with someone copying a style because such and such is your favorite artist. It's a given that when you get into comic book artist and start drawing yourself because of them, you will initially ape the style that you are a fan of. But this is a whole other ball of wax and as you stated, when the guy ripping is getting paid for it, they have to expect and take all the negative comments coming their way.

I just think as for Nick, he is young and was just not thinking along the lines of what he was really doing. Unfortunately, his rep is forever tarnished. The only way out is for him to buckle down, draw a series of books in his own style and imagination and hope that what he produces catches on to where fans can begin to start forgiving him.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 10:25:23 am »
Last week, a fellow artist that I follow on Devinat Art that goes by the name of Joe Jusko, which I'm sure any fan of Vampirella knows the name very well, was the victim of art theft. Overall, the community was very supportive in siding with him, etc...But there were a few individuals that felt that Joe was overreacting and took him to task on even bringing up the subject in the first place. This morning he posted these two links to further educate why it's neccessary to always call out anyone swiping art from another artist. Both links are pretty good reads and eye opening.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2012, 10:06:25 pm »

This was a pretty big deal back in the mid 90's as I was a HUGE fan of Joe Mad. So when this new cat, Roger Cruz "burst" onto the scene and started swiping panels and pages from Joe Mad, there was a big uproar about it. Swiping isn't new. But never has it been so blatant and bold and unapologetic. Check the link for some eye popping swipes.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2012, 10:16:37 pm »
yeah those are all the old pics from this blog back in the 90's

I guarantee there are way more if someone went back today and poured over his work.


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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2012, 10:19:49 pm »
I actually remember there being waaaaaaaaaaaay more. There was like a good 15-20 books that had multiple swipes per page. I need to find his back issues so that I can check them out again. I haven't seen the issues since they came out however long ago it was.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 10:32:05 am »
yeah for sure that's what I am saying.

I didn't collect his work...so I don't have any...but if you ever find them....give them a good flip.

I guarantee he had books out all the time while he was working.

didn't he used to grab a lot of Jim Lee poses too?

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 10:34:54 am »

didn't he used to grab a lot of Jim Lee poses too?

I remember a couple of Jim Lee swipes, but not nearly the amount he was grabbing from Joe Mad. I'm sure there were more than just the ones that I saw.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 10:41:38 am »
I didn't really follow Joe's work back then.

I did pick up deadpool, and then years later got his x-men work.

he couldn't have had too much to really steal from...his whole x-men run was only like 10 issues.

but I guess that's enough if you are determined to get that look

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 10:56:46 am »
Cruz wasn't just lifting poses, he was literally swiping entire panels. That's some pretty bold stuff right there. Joe Mad may not have had a ton of books out there at that time, but Cruz made sure to get everything from each panel as humanly possible.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 01:22:58 pm »
he was like....I'll even eat the crumbs!!
give me more!!

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 02:56:23 pm »
How does something like that proliferate? Was it all under the radar?

I read through this and see examples and my jaw is dropped. How are these plagiarist not stopped from the beginning?
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 03:01:01 pm »
bad editing...you can't really assume every editor would know all the art.

more fan boys spot this stuff after the fact...the internet really sped things up because for whatever reason comic fans love to sling mud

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2012, 03:09:50 pm »
I remember reading the exact same issue of Uncanny X-Men where he got in that awesome dig at Cruz on the front page of the newspaper where it said 'Cruz swipes again'. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I still think its the best thing ever when it comes to retaliation in comics. A close second would be Campbell's dig at Rob Liefeld and Dan Fraga in Gen 13.
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