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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2012, 03:19:35 pm »
hahaha those are such old references.....crazy that was almost 20 years ago

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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2013, 04:52:57 am »
News: Shia LaBeouf Apologizes for Plagiarizing Comic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wb33gPY68

Why do Celebs think they can get away with this? If anything, there is going to be more eyes and scrutiny than the average Joe when it comes to invidivual projects such as this. Fail!
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2013, 05:41:09 am »
Power, Fame, Entitlement, and on and on.

Believe in Yourself
Because the rest of us think you're an idiot.

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 01:06:06 pm »

Speaking of "celebs" trying to pawn off another persons work as their own, click the link to see side by side comparison of "his art" and the shutterstock photo "painted" over. I'm stunned that the eBay listing hasn't been pulled down because of this very thing.

FYI, his "painting" is a joke. It sucks. I'm gonna laugh when the last bidder gets stuck with it thinking someone else will bid after him/her to save them from their financial obligation. It's true, there's a sucker born every minute.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 01:12:08 pm »
I don't even know who he is

he used the cut out tool and then did paint by numbers for the piece itself...I will say that/

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2013, 01:17:43 pm »
I don't even know who he is


Of course you know who he is. Trayvon Martin ring a bell?
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2013, 01:23:15 pm »
never mind...I thought he was a director or something

he shot that kid...was thinking a totally different train of thought when I was looking at it....didn't even occur to me he could be outside the Hollywood actor director scene

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2013, 01:24:11 pm »
I figured it out.

thanks I see you already posted who he was...but I hadn't seen it until my post went up

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2013, 01:45:13 pm »
In Zimmerman's case, it's a dude who don't know d-ck about art or licensing images.

In Shia's case, from what I can tell, it seems to be crassness mixed in with pure idiocy.  I presume he was out of school before term papers and essays ever really entered the equation (he was a kid actor, you'll recall), so plagarism and citing sources isn't something he ever picked up on.  You have to figure with Shia's clout, he could have easily gotten in touch with Clowes and gotten to use the script.  I'm honestly not sure if that had ever occurred to him.

This is all reminding me of... what was his name, Greg Land?  The dude who traced a bunch of po r no images for his comics?  I remember when Sojourn came out and how I reacted to it, because nothing takes you out of a work of art like instantly recognizing its' reference material (this also happens in "The Ultimates 1" when we see Shannon Elizabeth in space), but tracing just made everything look flat and non-dynamic.

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2013, 01:48:03 pm »
I know of a few artist that have been ripped by fans for tracing, but I wasn't aware Greg was in that same class with regards to tracing  p o r n . But then again, I really haven't followed anything he has done in years.
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2013, 01:55:28 pm »
GREG LAND: TRACING, SWIPING & RECYCLING

I had to Google for myself and see what he has been up to. Pretty extensive thread detailing a lot of swipes and traces. Man, he makes Roger Cruz seem quaint by comparison.
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2013, 02:17:27 pm »
I noticed that the first time I saw a Greg Land book.. and that was ten years and change ago.  It also introduced me to a problem that I"ve been having since: almost-recognition of likenesses.  I dig caricatures and so on, but it totally throws me when I can ALMOST recognize someone but not quite.  Like, I'm pretty sure the main character in Sojourn is Rebecca Romijn but I can't tell for the life of me who her sidekick is.  I hate that.  Ultimates has a little of that going on as well.  And while stylized, I could identify almost everyone in J Scott Campbell's Wildsiderz except for Michelle Trachtenberg's character (although the likenesses in that series were part of the point: the whole thing was a sort-of take-off of big budget movies, you're SUPPOSED to identify the characters as actors, it's part of the fun).

Oh, and more on Shia and his other rip-offs.

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2013, 02:23:23 pm »
I've never had a problem with Campbell using specific actors and actresses for Wildsiderz. It was obvious from the get go who each character was based on. But because he did a very stylize version of them in his classic style, he was and is able to get away with it. I have issues with artist that transfer a realistic photo into a realist drawing that is nothing more than a placeholder for the real thing. There is no style coming across on the page and that's where I lose interest in their "art".
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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2013, 02:48:46 pm »
Totally agreed.  I dig when Campbell does likenesses, and those are definitely a great tool for comic book artists because without them, a lot of the faces end up looking the same (I know I'm guilty of that!) .  So no issue with that.  But the Greg Land stuff seems so scattershot and inconsistent, famous people are minor characters for ONE frame.  In Wildsiderz, the teacher actually LOOKS LIKE the character actor who would play a teacher in that movie!

What I like about that, and what I picked up well before even hearing about the book, is the idea boiling the likeness down so that it can be recreated on the fly without a specific reference image.  That's how I was trying to work before, basically turn the real thing into an "animation" model.  This is why my ink drawings in the last couple of years have gotten thicker and blacker, I start with the thinnest Micron pen size I can get and then go over and over with thicker ones until I get something stark and simple.

And I was thinking the same about locations as well.  One of my big influences was Masakazu Katsura, who did these great mangas with ridiculously detailed photoreferenced backgrounds, they looked like big screen movies on the page-- which means that given the time that he made them, he must have been ripping off a BUNCH of photos.  But damn, the result.  It really gives you that you are there feel.  Nowadays with digital cameras, you can take your own reference all over the place (I still do even though I don't draw locations much anymore)... and what I like to do (or try to do) is combine locations together, I have crummy collages in Photoshop of similar but different locales smushed up next to each other so I can get a place that's LIKE a real location, but different and that I can't directly copy.  Basically, trying to design my workflow to make that sort of thing impossible.

I mean, this is all academic at this point since I couldn't even tell you the last proper comic book page I drew, but this impulse is still pretty strong inside me.

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Re: Art Plagiarism
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2013, 03:00:05 pm »
I think photo reference is fine by me and would encourage people to use it as a point of reference to translate the essence of what they are seeing onto the page. With digital cameras so cheap these days, it's easy to build up a nice folder of reference material that you can call your own (granted that you don't upload them online that is). I know a lot of artist will do mock ups in Photoshop and Google sketch to map out their background and building scenes and since they are creating a new environment themselves it's definitely artistic in my eyes. Now if someone were to take a very well known photograph of a building (or whatever you can think of) and drop it into the background, then there is no artist value for me.

Getting back to using reference material, the reason why I think it's okay with me is that not everyone can get out in the real world or has the luxury to "Draw from real life". The next best solution is to bring "real life" to your PC or Tablet or whatever and work from that to hone ones craft.
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