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The After Dark Movie Thread-- keep it clean!
« on: January 04, 2013, 10:04:45 pm »
I had this thought so long ago that I barely remember what all I wanted to say.  But this is meant to be the umbrella thread for both things like Showgirls to Night Shift to Risky Business and The Girl Next Door...   Mainstream stuff only, no links or illustrations, and keep it safe for work.  Mind your language!

The most glaring thing I can think of is that the tone is different depending on the gender of the main character.  If the MC is female, it's gonna be a drama (usually, Striptease had a sense of humour), and I don't want to say heavy handed but the feeling is dour, they usually try to overcompensate for the subject matter-- especially if they're trying to get a big name actress.

Somewhat conversely, if the MC is a guy, he'll be put into a position of power, and the fun, alluring glamour of it all will be emphasized (and yeah, violence and the like will come up-- as we see in "Risky Business" or "The Girl Next Door"), but the health risks and so on won't even be mentioned.

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Re: The After Dark Movie Thread-- keep it clean!
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 10:20:57 pm »
This should be an interesting thread and one that I will gladly participate in. Run with it......
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 10:51:02 pm »
If it's an established actress, it's a safe bet that there's a clause in their contract that means we won't be seeing everything, which defies the reality of it, doesn't it?  Think Elisha Cuthbert in Girl Next Door.  I think the exception to the rule is Striptease and that involved a big payday (and let's be honest, a bit of a hospital bill) that didn't really pay back enough to make that sort of transaction a trend.

Meanwhile, any other girl in the movie could appear in any sort of starkers-- think every girl who was not Michelle Trachtenberg in Eurotrip, and, like GND, think about what was on the cover.  False advertising.  But I think that's more of a nitpick than anything else.

Of course, the intersection on the venn diagram of actresses who are talented, actresses who get starkers, and actresses who can get financing is miniscule at best, too...

And this isn't even getting into the whole arbitrary standards we saw in "This Film Is Not Yet Rated."

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 11:13:27 pm »
If it's an established actress, it's a safe bet that there's a clause in their contract that means we won't be seeing everything, which defies the reality of it, doesn't it? 

My girl Heather Graham seems to have made it a career of bucking the system and doing what other actresses are afraid to do. She is definitely an established actress that gets a nice paycheck for her roles and is in the prime of her career, which makes her decision to do a lot of  n u d e  scene with some graphic (by Hollywood standards) sex  scenes. Now, I expect aging actresses to eventually cave into the pressure and try to revive their careers by dropping their robes. Newbies, it's almost a given because they want to get into the business anyway they can. So, what Heather is doing is definitely the anomaly of the status quo.

On a personal level, I'd like to see Heather reverse this trend and really just focus on acting and not go for the cheap pay day. She's very funny, engaging and a great actress. She can do the  n u d e  stuff in 20 years if need be. I'd like to see her do more comedic roles.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 11:22:56 pm »
I like Heather too.  And you definitely need to be fearless to be an actor anyway, take risks, but there is a sort of double standard where a female actress is expected to be in skimpy little swimsuits or n u d e at some point (a friend sent me to a tumblr that names actresses who are in commercials and many of the shots are sexy) and with men it's a lot less expected, so actresses once they start going up the totem pole start to protect themselves in legalese.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 11:47:24 pm »
Halle Berry is another actress that was "guarded" early in her career, but suddenly doesn't have a problem dropping the robe. Me think it has more to do with the fact that she is "aging" by Hollywood standards. And neither role really was a part that justified it in a way to move the story forward. It was simply to get a T&A shot in there to bolster a sliding career at the time. As soon as their career gets a revival if you will....the robes come back to stay on.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 07:02:43 am »
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Halle Berry is another actress that was "guarded" early in her career, but suddenly doesn't have a problem dropping the robe. Me think it has more to do with the fact that she is "aging" by Hollywood standards. And neither role really was a part that justified it in a way to move the story forward. It was simply to get a T&A shot in there to bolster a sliding career at the time. As soon as their career gets a revival if you will....the robes come back to stay on.

Do you think there is a tipping point for actors. How many have made a comeback? A handful. As much as I loves to look at Halle Berry, I think her boat has gone over Niagra. Especially with the point your making about getting labeled with T&A and the acting becomes secondary in the studio and audiences eyes.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 07:11:28 am »
I don't think it's so much a tipping point, it's just that Hollywood likes it's little categories and cubbyholes and tags, and people naturally age and mature and don't fit those categories anymore.  Combine that with just the limited amount and types of movies being made, and if you don't qualify for one of those limited amounts of parts, you can be out like that.  I mean, think about the big release movies recently and ask yourself "is there anywhere for Halle Berry to fit in?"


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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 07:16:01 am »
I don't think they can really "recover" unless you happen to luck out and get a franchise role like she did with Storm in the X-Men films. She knows that she's got this locked up for the series (at the time) and potentially a few more after the fact which gives her leverage. But if she and any other actor/actress were bouncing from movie to movie, said leverage is gone and that's when you start to see them disrobing on a more consistent basis. She's kind of in the rare situation right now. But give her a few bombs along the way, you will see more of her.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 07:26:24 am »
See, it's a weird thing because a big part of the actor's what-have-you is their image, if you're a Halle Berry or another established actor, you've got this image to maintain and you don't want to damage yourself in anyone's eyes and you don't want to cheapen yourself, so the clothes stay on and the role choices become rather conservative when the reality is that flexibility is the key, and I don't mean being flexible means getting your kit off, it means taking bigger risks and doing things you wouldn't have considered otherwise, which I think is why so many people become actors in the first place.  And I think the proliferation of cheap but high-quality production and distribution technology is making that ability easier (think of all the big actor names doing things for Funny Or Die).

 

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