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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2015, 05:39:51 pm »
It was pretty cool to see Pope Francis heading to St. Patrick Cathedral. Even better was the fact that Brian Williams knew when to keep his mouth shut and just show the motorcade with nothing but screaming fans. Props to the camera man on the ground that was able to get worms eye view. Add that image with the crowd and I got hair raising goosebumps watching it all unfold.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2015, 04:53:21 pm »
And that concludes Pope Francis' stay in America as his plane takes off. I gotta say that this has been a fun week for me. I didn't think I would devote as much time as I did following him around from city to city. I watched pretty much everything he did, including watching all Masses he did. I marvel what he pulled off. I'm in complete awe of his ability to do all that he did given that he is 78 years old with one lung, a bad hip, a bad back and a bum knee. He makes everyone look lazy by comparison. The motorcades were great. Loved seeing all the smiling faces of everyone he came in contract with. As I said, fun week. Gonna definitely have a Pope withdrawal tomorrow.
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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2015, 09:37:29 am »
I've been keeping a pulse on this activity, just because of the religious aspect. I'm not Mormon.

The comments to this particular article are very revealing and many are a akin to how I've felt when I left my church.

Mormons Set to Quit Church Over Policy on Gay Couples and Their Children

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is facing a growing backlash from Mormons upset about a new policy that bars children of same-sex parents from baby-naming ceremonies and baptisms, and declares members in gay marriages to be apostates subject to excommunication.
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The policies have hit hard in a church that considers family bonds central in this life and eternal in the afterlife. While church members are pouring out their pain and confusion at family dinners and on Mormon blogs, critics are planning a “mass resignation” in a park adjacent to the church’s headquarters in Salt Lake City on Saturday.

Even some local church leaders have conveyed their objections up through the hierarchy, said Benjamin R. Hertzberg, who serves in his Atlanta congregation, or ward, as second counselor to the bishop in a three-person leadership team known as a bishopric.
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“I’ve heard from many, many people in wards and bishoprics who are expressing serious concerns and reservations,” said Mr. Hertzberg, a visiting professor of political science at Emory University in Atlanta. “It seems to me deeply unfair to put a barrier in the way of the children’s involvement when the children are not responsible for their parents’ choices.”

It appears that the new rules were not supposed to be made public. They were issued as changes to a confidential handbook, and sent out by email a week ago to leaders of the church’s 30,000 congregations around the world. They were leaked to the news media and confirmed by a church spokesman.

The handbook change says that the “natural or adopted” children of parents in same-sex relationships — whether married or cohabiting — cannot be blessed as babies, baptized or ordained into the priesthood (if they are male), nor can they serve as missionaries. They can only join the church after age 18, if they move out of their parents’ home, disavow same-sex unions and receive permission from the church’s top leadership, the First Presidency.

Another change to the handbook adds “same-gender marriage” to a list of conditions considered apostasy and grounds for excommunication.

The Mormon Church has long opposed gay marriage. But until now, its bishops were given discretion over whether to discipline Mormons in same-sex relationships. Some Mormon congregations have quietly welcomed gay couples and their children.

So far, the church is standing firm, but it has been unusually silent. A church spokesman on Thursday had no comment. The only official explanation the church has offered is a 10-minute videotaped interview with D. Todd Christofferson, a member of the 12-man leadership group that assists the church’s president and his two counselors. He said that church leaders felt it important to stake out clear boundaries in light of the Supreme Court decision in June establishing a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

“There was a need for a distinction to be made between what may be legal and what may be the law of the church and the law of the Lord,” he said. “So it’s a matter of being clear, it’s a matter of understanding right and wrong, it’s a matter of a firm policy that doesn’t allow for question or doubt.”

Mr. Christofferson cast the policy as a compassionate step, intended to spare children from the cognitive dissonance of belonging to a church that teaches that their parents are sinning. “We don’t want the child to have to deal with issues that might arise where the parents feel one way and the expectations of the church are very different,” he said.

I really appreciate Laurie Goldstein's reporting on religion. it tells so much about our American culture. In this case we see a church up...

Some Mormons are not accepting their leaders’ explanations. Women are asking whether female church leaders were consulted before the decision was made, and how they are to carry out such a policy. There is an online petition asking artists to cancel their performances with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir at its Christmas concert.

“Any church that wants to claim itself as a Christian organization that uses Jesus Christ the savior to somehow exclude any group of people is not anything that I want to be a part of,” said Sarah Epperson, who is among those who plan to resign at the protest in Salt Lake City on Saturday.

Ms. Epperson, who is 28 and runs a restaurant in Utah County, just south of Salt Lake City, said she had been “on the fence” about her church membership for eight years, but this recent news had pushed her over the edge. Her father, Donald Braegger, recently came out as gay and was excommunicated this year.

Mr. Braegger, 55, said his story was the same as that of many gay Mormons whose children would be affected by the new policy: Even though he knew as a young man that he was attracted to men, he married a woman because his church taught that homosexuality was sinful, and he was a faithful believer. He had seven children and spent years trying to overcome his homosexuality through prayer and reparative therapy. After 26 years, he and his wife divorced a year and a half ago.

If his children were younger than 18, they would be barred from church membership under the new policy because one parent is now openly gay.

“There’s hundreds of us, if not thousands, who have been through this same journey,” Mr. Braegger said
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2016, 03:40:15 pm »
Does This Child Preacher Understand the Words He's Yelling? | The Oprah Winfrey Show | OWN

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I remember this kid from back in the day. I think they did a segment on him and his dad a couple of times on A Current Affair. Never seen him on Oprah's show. Anyway, the first time I saw this kid and others like him, I myself being a kid at the time, my immediate response was that this was bordering on child abuse. The father brainwashed his kid to just spew out stuff as a mindless robot. The fact that the kid can't even articulate what he just "preached" is proof that he has been mentally abused. The condescending attitude of the father toward everyone in the audience tells me everything I need to know about him. He looks at people as beneath him....as if we are nothing more than bugs. And why would I or anyone else ever listen to this lunatic? Really not sure why the father thinks that SCREAMING his sermons is ever going to work. You catch more bees with honey.....Try it sometime. And no...I didn't search this out on YouTube, it just popped up in my feed for whatever reason.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2016, 04:42:36 pm »
Yea, that's pretty disheartening in every respect of representing religion, Jesus and God.

I have no idea how that sh*t continues to thrive. Who is following these ya-hoos?
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