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Title: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 22, 2012, 10:25:24 am
I went with what is the industry known term of Buddy Cop. Everyone immediately knows what type of movie this is. But I also wanted to touch on other types of "partnerships" that use basically the same cliched scenes. Lethal Weapon and Rush Hour are prime Examples of the Buddy Cop genre. But other movies that aren't necessarily 'Action' type movies also use the paradigm as well such as Training Day and Nothing To Lose.

So, a quick rundown of partnerships:

Good Cop / Crazy Cop - This in a nutshell is Lethal Weapon and Rush Hour. The Good Cop is a by-the-books Cop that doesn't really stick his neck out. The Crazy Cop is usually reckless and dangerous to the point of disregarding all laws and rules in said book.

Good Cop / Dirty Cop - Training Day uses this to full effect. The Good Cop also is a by-the-books Cop that is tested with regards to going over to the 'dark side' by the Dirty Cop. They usually are at opposite ends by the end of the movie with Good Cop prevailing.

Professional Thief / Novice Thief - The same rules above apply here. But what makes Nothing To Lose succeed is that they give the "bad guy" a reason for breaking the law. To support his family. I think had they made him a straight up unlikable character, the movie and the plot wouldn't work as it does. It would turn out to follow the same path of Good Cop / Dirty Cop.

So, what other cliched scenes can you find in common among these and other Buddy Cop movies?
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 25, 2012, 06:53:33 am
Dopplelanger Team - Whether they are Cops or Criminals, there always seems to be a 'mirror' team to confront the main team. They look, sound and act like them and they usually consider themselves to be the far more superior team. But in reality they are clueless.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on December 25, 2012, 08:54:19 am
Throw us some examples of the mirror team.

I do see that starting to pop up in movies like "The Other Guys," where there's the cool team the movie SHOULD be about, then you cut to these comedic actors who wind up actually solving the crime in the worst possible ways.

Of course, no matter who you follow, they'll have to bend and break a few rules to get things done.  Might get them in trouble with the chief or the top brass or the mayor's office, but thankfully they've still got an off-beat tech buddy who noticed something nobody else in the world noticed.  And even if they have to turn in their badges, that just means they'll solve the case in the next thirty minutes.

Of course, if one of the main actors gets a new girlfriend (they're both always straight, I might add), she'll be in jeopardy in the climax.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 25, 2012, 09:13:20 am
Throw us some examples of the mirror team.

They are in more movies than you think. Most recently in movies I just watched, they can be found in Starksy & Hutch (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/dvd's-blu-rays/starsky-hutch-(2004)/msg14860/#msg14860) as well as Nothing To Lose (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/dvd's-blu-rays/nothing-to-lose-(1997)/msg15021/#msg15021)
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 05, 2013, 07:44:51 am
How many false leads actually show up in these flicks?  Because with the limited 3-act structure and the desire to cut for time, the line of action in these types of flicks is very straightforward, there's no wasted time so everything informs the end which is nice and streamlined but it's not realistic, but at the same time audiences hate useless information, so what do you do?
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 05, 2013, 07:56:32 am
Off the top of my head, I can't recall ever getting any kind of 'Red Herring' in a Buddy Cop movie. As you point out the genre itself really isn't about "mystery" and more about how the two interact with each other. But I will say I do remember a couple of instances where the "dumbest" one of the two actually figures it all out by the end. I need to figure out what movies I've seen that in though. Need my coffee.............
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 18, 2013, 07:08:15 pm
It just hit me a few seconds ago that one of the best Duo Genres actually combines the Buddy with Criminal. I am of course speaking of the kick ass Midnight Run. I have to re-watch this ASAP!
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 18, 2013, 09:26:29 pm
And that's more mission directive than anything else, got to get from point a to point b and everyone else tries to stop them.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 18, 2013, 09:30:42 pm
The idea for this genre is really about trying to come up with unique pairings that work. I think it's more about their relationship and everything that comes after is secondary.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 18, 2013, 10:30:27 pm
I like that 21 Jump Street played with that by making them mismatched, then become friends BEFORE becoming partners in the police force.  Saved us a nice bit of time.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Mac on January 24, 2013, 07:01:03 pm
Vehicles busting through fences always produce sparks for some unknown reason... Except to up the action
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2013, 07:28:19 pm
Hey guys, I wanted to pose this question to you: Do you think Beverly Hills Cop (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/dvd's-blu-rays/beverly-hills-cop-(1984)/msg16146/#msg16146) fits into the Buddy Cop Genre, even if it's really a one-man (Axel) show and Taggert and Rosewood are off on their own....more or less. If anything I would say that Taggert and Rosewood do fall into the Buddy Cop Genre, but does it apply to Axel?

Discuss.

Also, just wanted to point out that BHC uses the Dopplelanger Team in this one.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Mac on January 25, 2013, 03:39:11 pm
My immediate thought is that BHC is an Eddie Murphy vehicle. But once you think about all the interactions, cause and events, it's because of the other guys that make this a total film.

Maybe like the Mission Impossibles with Tom Cruise. You think of Cruise first, but he does rely on and interact with some key folks.

48 Hours is definitely a better, clearer representation of 'The Buddy Cop flick'
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 25, 2013, 03:41:15 pm

48 Hours is definitely a better, clearer representation of 'The Buddy Cop flick'

I thought about that when writing up my last post and totally agree with you on that.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 06, 2013, 10:14:47 pm
The Secret Onion - The Main character is at first reluctant to share any personal information about himself. But slowly, over the course of the movie, he begins to peel away the layers of the onion, finally revealing a big secret at the end.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 29, 2014, 09:56:55 am
The Top 15 Worst Cop Movie Clichés (http://www.film.com/movies/15-worst-cop-movie-cliches)

Pretty good rundown of Cop cliches. I wouldn't say they are "worst", just overused is more like it.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Mac on January 29, 2014, 10:06:44 am
Pretty extensive list  ;)
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 29, 2014, 11:03:01 pm
There was a good bit on **** about how there can't be any more good buddy cop movies because there's no more crazy pairings, and all the recent ones that have been any good (Hot Fuzz, The Heat) are meta-commentaries on buddy cop films than actual buddy cop movies.  And I guess I agree with that...

However, I read an article about how the Romantic Comedy is dying, but romance in movies is thriving. (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/the-romantic-comedy-is-dying-but-cinematic-romance-is-thriving/283252/)  An interesting read, so I'm wondering if the same can't be true for buddy cop films?

I'm ESPECIALLY thinking of this right now because Chip put the idea in my head of a Mark Ruffalo/Robert Downey Jr buddy cop movie when we were talking about Iron Man 3, and I wanna see that enough that I'm willing to explore how that sort of story might work (plus, if I can crack it in general, well, that gives me an advantage over everyone else).

The other big issue (besides crazy pairings) that's killing buddy cop comedies and police movies in general is, well, once you know who the bad guy is, the movie's not rewatchable... so that's another hurdle that the movie format has to overcome now.  So I guess the actual guilty party isn't as important, it's not putting the clues together, it's HOW they do it, the JOURNEY becomes more important.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 29, 2014, 11:08:30 pm
Well, I think the Buddy Cop Genre is only going to thrive based on the two cops in particular. That's what made the Lethal Weapon series as good as it was. It was really never about the Villain. On the flipside, if you have a weak pair of Cops, then the Villain becomes paramount and as you said, it's one and done because no one would really want to come back for the Cops if the Villain was the star.

As for Ruffalo / Downey, that would actually be something fun to write. I may take a crack at it just for personal reasons and if I came up with a story that I liked, I would definitely have an eye on drawing a comic of it.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 29, 2014, 11:30:34 pm
You know, I really think that's where the next Iron Man would go, I mean,outside of why not it would make a killing, it's two brilliant scientists yucking it up while tracking down a supervillian.  Give it to Shane Black, throw in an obscure Marvel villain and you're gold.  And it'd really be interesting counter-intuitively because their personalities are rather similar instead of diametrically opposite.

I feel like Joe Pesci might be an interesting person to throw into the mix as well, actually (because I just glanced at "My Cousin Vinnie" on my shelf, NOT Lethal Weapon).

And there's always a BIG name, you know?  Who's the big name, who's this movie's Robert Redford or Michael Douglas?
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 29, 2014, 11:32:51 pm
Please.....anyone but Michael Douglas. Can't stand him. I'd pick Carrot Top over him first.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on January 29, 2014, 11:46:59 pm
Oh my god, I just got this image of Tony Stark trying to help Banner pick up chicks, "anyone you like out there, anyone turning you, uh, green down there?" "This isn't why we're here, this isn't what we're supposed to be doing." "This is all I've ever wanted to do. Hello.  Let's go try our luck at the bar, you thirsty? I think this place has a minimum." "No, I can't drink. I don't think you can, either." "I'm not going to drink it, I'm just going to hold it and look sophisticated. Which I would anyway."
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on February 05, 2014, 04:19:59 pm
You know, I'm watching Zodiac for the first time and it took me a bit longer than I'm happy to admit to realize both RDJ and Ruffalo are in this movie.  Iron Man and Hulk in an investigation!
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 05, 2014, 04:42:17 pm
Zodiac has been on my Hold List (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/dvd's-blu-rays/the-hold-list/msg20436/#msg20436) for quite some time now. I need to move that up to the front of the line.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on February 05, 2014, 05:04:25 pm
I quite like that the lead character in the movie is a cartoonist.  Never have enough of those in movies.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 05, 2014, 05:40:09 pm
I quite like that the lead character in the movie is a cartoonist.  Never have enough of those in movies.

That right there makes me want to watch Chasing Amy.
Title: Re: The Buddy Cop / Criminal Genre Cliche Thread
Post by: Neumatic on February 05, 2014, 06:00:58 pm
You know, when I think of the "tracer" bit, the first one my brain goes to is Chris Rock's bit about "you think Fat Albert had a tracer? No, Bill Cosby did the whole thing himself with a roller-- and it was EXCELLENT!"