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Title: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 16, 2013, 09:40:35 am
Walking Dead Spin-off

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AMC is bringing more zombies to TV! The network announced Monday that it is working with Robert Kirkman, creator of "The Walking Dead" graphic novels, and the show's executive producers Gale Anne Hurd and David Alpert to do a companion series.

Charlie Collier, AMC's president, called the decision "a no-brainer" in a statement, and revealed that the show will consist of an entirely new cast of characters and will be a new story. "It's a big world and we can't wait to give fans another unforgettable view of the zombie apocalypse," he said.

The new show is expected to premiere in 2015.

"After 10 years of writing the comic book series and being so close to the debut of our fourth, and in my opinion, best season of the TV series, I couldn't be more thrilled about getting the chance to create a new corner of 'The Walking Dead' universe," Kirkman said in a statement. "The opportunity to make a show that isn't tethered by the events of the comic book, and is truly a blank page, has set my creativity racing."

"The Walking Dead," starring Andrew Lincoln and Norman Reedus, premiered in 2010 and has since become the No. 1 TV show among viewers in the 18-49 demographic.

But long before the spin-off debuts, "The Walking Dead" will return for its fourth season. At Comic-Con this summer, the stars and producers teased that the show would "get insane very quickly" this year. Kirkman has also revealed that there will be a zombie baby of sorts, noting that the little one would be "different from the baby who was seen in 'Dawn of the Dead' remake."

Season four kicks off Oct. 13 at 9 p.m. on AMC.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Spin-off
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2013, 10:43:47 am
I wouldn't object to another series, but please do NOT start spinning everyone off just so they can fill up as much time on their TV roster. I fear that this is where its heading and too much of a good thing means over-saturation and then the inevitable backlash from fans and viewers.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Spin-off
Post by: Mac on September 16, 2013, 11:08:06 am
Ya, I'm not feeling it.

Let the awesomeness of a great show just continue to wash over.

Greed rears it's ugly head. Walking Dead, Walking Dead New York, Walking Dead LA, Walking Dead SVU.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Spin-off
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2013, 11:30:12 am
Hahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Spin-off
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2013, 01:46:26 pm
The Walking Dead: AMC Announces New Spinoff Series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9v4xnrYwI
Title: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on September 05, 2014, 10:00:17 am
The Walking Dead Companion Series Officially Ordered to Pilot at AMC—More Zombies for All!

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The Walking Dead spinoff—sorry, "companion series"—is going to pilot at AMC. The network announced Robert Kirkman, the co-creator of the comic book series, and Dave Erickson will co-create the companion series to The Walking Dead. The new show will be set in a different location with a new cast of characters.

Gale Anne Hurd and David Alpert are also on board as executive producers. Erickson will serve as showrunner.

"Almost from the beginning of The Walking Dead on AMC, fans have been curious about what is going on in the zombie apocalypse in other parts of the world. In fact, beyond requests for zombie cameos, it's the question I get asked the most," AMC President Charlie Collier said in a statement. "Obviously, we all take our stewardship of the original franchise incredibly seriously and we, along with Robert, Gale, David and now Dave, are all proceeding with extreme care in order to ensure that we are offering fans something truly compelling, engaging and distinct. We're thrilled to be taking this next step with these remarkable partners."

MORE: See the exciting new Walking Dead trailer

"There are many corners of The Walking Dead universe that remain unseen in the shadows. Being given the opportunity to shine a light into those corners and see what lurks out there is an absolute thrill. I know the fans are anxious to hear what Dave and I have been cooking up for this new universe of The Walking Dead, and I'm happy to be one step closer to sharing it with them," Kirkman said in a statement.

The pilot is scheduled to go into production in late 2014. No additional details about location and casting were provided.

"I've been fortunate to have collaborated with both Robert and AMC on past projects and I'm thrilled to join them again, along with Gale and David, to build upon The Walking Dead's already epic narrative," Erickson said.

The Walking Dead returns to AMC on Sunday, Oct. 12 at 9 p.m.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Serries announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 05, 2014, 10:20:34 am
I'm okay with 'Spin-offs' for TWD as long as it's just the one. If it starts to become something like Law and Order or CSI where there are a ton of spin-offs, it's going to dilute the main series. But this is AMC we are talking about. They don't care. They want to milk as much as possible while the show is still hot. So, I expect more and more to the point of over saturation. Don't be surprised if the spin-offs look cheap. This is the same company that it STILL trying to nickle and dime it's biggest money maker.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Serries announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on September 05, 2014, 11:15:29 am
I'll be fine if the stories are completely different. I mean in every way.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: renojim on September 06, 2014, 07:52:09 pm
When I first heard of this I thought it was very doable. I hope they do the right thing -California or Reno lol- no Governor clone. More of a origin type thing I think would work very well.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 06, 2014, 08:03:16 pm
Definitely Reno!!! Haha.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2014, 08:18:55 am
Merging this thread with another thread talking about TWD Spin-offs.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on September 08, 2014, 09:23:23 am
Thanks... makes sense
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: renojim on September 08, 2014, 06:54:01 pm
I will boycott if they do Vegas.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2014, 07:00:20 pm
I'm all for TWD: Reno though.  ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 09, 2014, 09:14:18 pm
How The Walking Dead Spinoff Can Feel Different - Channel Surfing Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sam3eyDQ-fY


Both Eric and Roth bring up a lot of good points regarding what the sequel should (and shouldn't be). I do worry about fatigue if it's more of the same. Also, I found it somewhat funny that they too are worrying about AMC basically trying to duplicate what CBS did with CSI. It's a concern of mine as you guys already know. I just don't want more of the same. Give us something radically different, but keep the tone consistent with the original TWD. Also, what's this sh*t I'm hearing about 4-5 competing Zombies shows? What the hell!
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 29, 2014, 09:23:21 am
Cast Breakdowns Reveal ‘Walking Dead’ Spinoff to Be a Family Affair (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/09/29/cast-breakdowns-reveal-walking-dead-spinoff-to-be-a-family-affair/)
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on December 16, 2014, 11:20:49 am
The Walking Dead's spinoff/companion series is ready to begin shooting next month! And we now know the location of where the new series, which will air on AMC, will be set. And filmed.

It's not Atlanta, where the mothership is shot, but rather...

Los Angeles!

Yes, E! News has confirmed the buzzy new series will be set in sunny California. (Do zombies wear shades? Take selfies? Only time will tell...But we're obviously already brain dead for even thinking it. They totally won't.)

AMC has no comment.

Sources also tell us that the pilot episode will feature scenes that involve a school, and a hospital...(We know, we just gave it ALL away.)

Further details about the pilot—such as its title, The Walking Dead: Los Angeles is just too easy—are being kept under wraps, but we do know three members of the cast so far. Cliff Curtis, Frank Dillane and Alycia Debnam Carey have already been cast in series regular roles.

The series will feature new characters and could take place at a different time than the current season of The Walking Dead, like right after the zombie outbreak.

Robert Kirkman, the co-creator of the comic book series and executive producer on the AMC series, will executive produce the new series alongside Dave Erickson, Gale Anne Hurd and David Alpert. Erickson will serve as showrunner should the pilot go to series.

"There are many corners of The Walking Dead universe that remain unseen in the shadows. Being given the opportunity to shine a light into those corners and see what lurks out there is an absolute thrill. I know the fans are anxious to hear what Dave and I have been cooking up for this new universe of The Walking Dead, and I'm happy to be one step closer to sharing it with them," Kirkman said in a statement when AMC announced the pilot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on March 10, 2015, 04:06:11 pm
the-walking-dead-companion-series-560-1AMC today announced that it has placed an initial two-season order for a companion series to The Walking Dead, the #1 show on television among adults 18-49 for going on three seasons.

The new series (title to be announced) will be set in Los Angeles and focused on new characters and storylines. The show’s first season will consist of six one-hour episodes and premiere on AMC in late summer. The show’s second season will air in 2016.

Robert Kirkman, Gale Anne Hurd, Greg Nicotero and David Alpert from The Walking Dead are executive producers of the new series, which, like the original, is being produced by AMC Studios. Dave Erickson (Marco Polo, Sons of Anarchy), who co-created and co-wrote the pilot with Kirkman, is an Executive Producer and Showrunner. The series will star Cliff Curtis (Missing, Gang Related), Kim Dickens (Gone Girl, Sons of Anarchy), Frank Dillane (Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince) and Alycia Debnam Carey (Into the Storm).

“We take incredibly seriously the notion of building a satisfying companion series to the number one show on television. From the beginning of The Walking Dead on AMC, we’ve been asked questions about what was going on in other parts of the zombie apocalypse, and what it looked like as the world really did ‘turn.’ Through this new series, we’re going to find out,” said Charlie Collier, AMC president. “Robert Kirkman, Dave Erickson and their writing team, along with an incomparable set of producers, cast and crew have created something remarkable and clearly distinct. We respectfully follow the request of Monty Python as we bring out (the latest of) our Dead.”

“We feel empowered by this two-season commitment, a serious show of faith from our network partner AMC,” Kirkman said. “I personally take it as a sign that they believe, like we do, that we’ve accomplished our goal of developing something original that can pay tribute to the original show and expand the world I created while at the same time having something new to say with this story. I’m very grateful that we now have the opportunity to tell this amazing story and show the fans that we really haven’t scratched the surface yet when it comes to The Walking Dead.”

“This vote of confidence from our partners at AMC is gratifying, to say the least,” Erickson said. “We’ve been blessed with amazing writers and a stellar cast — and we can’t wait to build this apocalyptic drama over the next two seasons and hopefully beyond.”

In addition, AMC Global, the international AMC-branded television network, announced it has acquired the international television rights to the series, which it plans to air within 24 hours of the U.S. premiere. AMC Global launched in late 2014 and is available in over 115 countries and territories throughout Latin America, Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 27, 2015, 04:47:11 pm
The Walking Dead Spinoff Just Got a Really Stupid Name (http://www.vulture.com/2015/03/twd-spinoff-just-got-a-really-stupid-name.html)



I don't know if this is a joke or not. But if this is in fact real, this is without a doubt the dumbest, lamest, idiotic title ever. Seriously, what the f*ck?!

FAIL!!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead Companion Series announced (AMC)
Post by: Mac on March 27, 2015, 11:31:35 pm
Mmmm, Gawd
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 30, 2015, 09:56:55 am
Promo #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unWdvWPmiPk

Here's the TV Spot as seen from last nights Season Finale episode of TWD. Also, I changed the name of the thread to its official title. Sheesh, I still don't like the name they settled on.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on March 30, 2015, 12:15:05 pm
Ya, not much that can be done. The title is cemented in.

I'm liking the idea we get to see how this all begins. Well, I hope that's where this at least touches on.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 20, 2015, 08:44:29 am
First Look Promo: Nick's Escape: Fear the Walking Dead: Series Premiere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwyMn1O9PYo

This guy wouldn't last 1 minute in Rick Grimes crew!!!!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 10, 2015, 01:47:20 pm
Official Comic Con Trailer: Fear the Walking Dead: World Premiere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDxew5SguVw

I'm actually looking forward to FTWD now than at any other time.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on July 10, 2015, 02:49:01 pm
That trailer is really encouraging.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 15, 2015, 03:51:01 pm
Fear The Walking Dead Comic Con Panel 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44I9-IAylQ
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on August 20, 2015, 09:48:46 am
It begins.... This Sunday - August 23rd, 2015

Sneak Peak... the first 3 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbEwKT5cVA
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 23, 2015, 10:45:41 pm
Episode 1
Pilot

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The closer it got to the premiere date tonight, the more amped up I became. Not sure why that is because I've pretty much avoided all spoilers, with the exception of the Comic Con Trailer. Maybe it's having a buffer between now and TWD in October to make the wait a little less painful that made this one more appealing to me. With that, I started to build this up to an unreasonably high expectation which isn't the smartest thing to do. Happy to say that the Pilot was actually pretty good. More importantly was that I was very satisfied with how they set up the big reveal at the end. My biggest concern was that to please the TWD fans, they would just dive right into anarchy, which I think would have sucked donkey balls had they done it that way. I like getting a feel for the family dynamic and all the sh*t they are having to deal with regarding Nicky. Can't wait to see how they deal with the sh*t that happens at the end of this episode next week.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on August 24, 2015, 07:02:40 am
I was disappointed in the premiere of the FTWD. I wasn’t looking for an explosion of apocalyptic mayhem, but I was expecting a tad more than the 2-3 minutes of dead we got in a 90 minute premiere. I’m also not expecting Walking Dead L.A., so maybe that’s what they are doing is setting the tone for something completely different. What I don’t like are stoners and drug addicts. Making one as a lead character is sketchy in my book. I realize they did this deliberately with the family because we can see major tension and the family holding on by a thread. Thus we get no one believing Nick (Frank Dillane, who looks like Johnny Depp) because he appears like he is constantly in a drug induced state. All I can think of, he is about to go through major withdrawals or become a human popsicle.

You need to do some ‘splaining Lucy. So how did Calvin become the Walking Dead from a gun shot? Is this going back to the original series where the virus is already in people and once you die or get killed, you automatically come back dead? So the virus is airborne? Will we ever know how this all started? The Dead and the Walking Dead in the abandoned church… Ok, I might buy into the idea that Travis and his wife did not see any bodies in the church because said bodies may have turned and got up and walked. But…. If they walked, I would think they walked out and not in the basement. Where did they go sight unseen? We are talking a densely populated city.

With all the same people involved in FTWD as TWD, I’m hopeful, they have another engaging hit on their hands. We have just 5 more episodes.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2015, 08:44:37 am
So how did Calvin become the Walking Dead from a gun shot? Is this going back to the original series where the virus is already in people and once you die or get killed, you automatically come back dead? So the virus is airborne?

Calvin was shot dead from the gunshot wound and since the same rules of TWD apply in FTWD, he comes back as a Walker. As for the virus being airborne, which was mentioned in TWD, it's anybody's guess that the writers actually stick to this. As of now, it is and the moment you perish (with brain intact), you get fitted for a nice Walker wardrobe. Yes, the virus is inside of us, but something in the air triggered it. It remains to be seen what exactly that is. I'm sure we will get some side stories happening that will explain some, if not all our questions. I'm sure Kirkman will want to keep some things secret for the time being. I understand why you wouldn't want an addict as the main character, but this serves up the ultimate redemption arc, which is something I'd like to see. It's going to offer up some interesting stories because as you already pointed out, he will be struggling with withdrawal and he's sure to be looking for his next fix amid a horde of Walkers. And I can guarantee you that this will lead to someone's untimely demise and will most likely be his wake-up call.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2015, 07:42:11 pm
Fear the Walking Dead Has the Biggest Premiere in Cable History - IGN News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qr4CbpAxF8

No shock here.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on August 25, 2015, 03:39:25 am
Think the premiere of the new season of Walking Dead will beat it?
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 25, 2015, 07:09:59 am
Yup.

Double the viewership.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on August 25, 2015, 09:51:05 am
I saw 'a' trailer for the new season, I guess during Fear, and I am stoked... it looks awesome.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 30, 2015, 10:10:49 pm
Episode 2
So Close, Yet So Far

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There isn't much to really talk about in this one because it's really all about watching society falling apart, which was the most fascinating thing to watch here. It's also the scariest thing the show will ever be, Walkers withstanding of course. Watching normal people suddenly rioting and looting and just tearing sh*t apart because there isn't any police to keep them in check is and will always be disturbing. I'm enjoying the series so far and it's kind of interesting to watch a show where we all have the knowledge of that's to come and the characters are the ones in the dark. It was great to see Rubén Blades pop up in this one. Hope to see him hang around for awhile before you know......they start killing people off as is customary with TWD.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on August 31, 2015, 03:51:31 am
Deja vu on the riots with Ferguson. People just losing their **** and destroying stuff. Why?
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 13, 2015, 10:23:37 pm
Episode 3
The Dog

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As this episode was winding down, I was asking myself how I was going to go about reviewing it when it's more or less the same thing as the previous episode. This isn't a bad thing because I am enjoying the series so far. I just didn't know what I was going to talk about here. But then the final 10 minutes happened. Was not expecting to see the Military show up at the end to save that Old man about to get chomped on by his wife. I was actually expecting to see Maddie step up and do what needs to be done and that was to take her down herself. They have set up the same Shane/Rick dynamic of one knowing what needs to be done and the other refusing to even hold a gun. But the most interesting thing for me comes in the final scene with Ruben Blade's character when he says "it's too late". I may be reading into this the wrong way, but something tells me he knows more about what's happening then he is letting on. Even if he is "just a Barber". One thing I do have an issue with is how Maddie is being so cavalier. She knows what is out there. She's seen it first hand as well as the neighbors being infected. Yet she is playing Monopoly? I get that she is trying to shield her Daughter from knowing anything and trying to make it as if everything is A-OK, but come on, there is no way in hell anyone would be able to be that composed to play a board game.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 14, 2015, 03:53:11 am
I don't get why she's not telling her daughter. And in the show the daughter just asks once or twice then says nothing more... Not making sense with her personality.

I thought the idea of walking through a riot must of been terrifying.

But...

Getting to their untouched truck.... Not so much.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 14, 2015, 06:57:56 am
Yeah, even before they arrived at the truck, in my head I was laughing that their truck would be missing 4 tires, 2 doors and be wrecked beyond recognition. Guess he parked in the right spot as it clearly had the luck of invisibility on its side.  ;)
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 14, 2015, 09:20:40 am
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Guess he parked in the right spot as it clearly had the luck of invisibility on its side.

OK, that was funny. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/97239.gif)
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 21, 2015, 12:19:14 am
Episode 4
Not Fade Away

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Dull episode that did more to p*ss me off than anything else. I'm really growing tired of the stupidity of Travis. I don't get how he and Maddie are oblivious to what is happening around them. They both have first-hand accounts and yet, they act like it's the same world as before. I dunno. Just a weird episode. Only thing that was interesting was when the military swooped in to take Nick away.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 21, 2015, 03:42:55 am
It was a tedious show. I'm guessing a slow build up to the other monstrosities of living humans, in this case, the government.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 29, 2015, 06:12:49 pm
Episode 5
Colbalt

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Meh. I'm losing interest in this show very fast. What started off with a lot of potential has become something I don't even look forward to watching anymore, as I did before. Another blah episode. Another episode where nothing really happens. If it weren't for the fact that next week is the season finale, I would be throwing in the towel right now. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.Bring on TWD....the original.
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 30, 2015, 03:42:57 am
Same here... A whole lot of nuttin

I'm betting they bring on the heat in the final, but if not, just may be dropping it
Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Mac on September 30, 2015, 05:34:03 pm
ya, pretty spot on...

5 Big Problems With 'Fear The Walking Dead'

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Erik Kain ,CONTRIBUTOR
I write about the intersection of entertainment and technology.

Here are five big problems with the show that need to be resolved if AMC wants Fear the Walking Dead to survive a second season.

(Read my review of last night’s episode here.)

1. We need to actually see the breakdown of civilization, government, and communities.

The entire premise of Fear the Walking Dead was to give viewers a glimpse of the zombie outbreak from Day Zero on. In The Walking Dead we awaken with Rick Grimes in a hospital already lost to the living. Major cities like Atlanta have long since fallen. In the spinoff we’re supposed to see the in-between stages from the earliest days of the outbreak.


That’s how Fear the Walking Dead began. We saw a bunch of weird incidents, police protests, riots, and the very rapid social entropy that one imagines would accompany this sort of undead outbreak. But very quickly, and very suddenly, all that was tossed into the trash. The military showed up and we fast-forwarded into an ad hoc police state with no glimpse at what was happening in the world around our main cast of hapless survivors.

This isn’t the show we were promised. If anything, this is an interesting premise for the next season, but for the first season I expected to see a more gradual breakdown of civilization. I was hoping we’d see our heroes actually start to fight to survive—going out into the insane city to get supplies, or attempting to make a break for the desert but running into standstill traffic and being forced to hoof it through an urban center rapidly devolving into intense danger.

I’m honestly not sure if it’s too late to fix this issue. Madison’s little adventure into the no-man’s-land revealed nothing but death. Between the infected and the military, there’s not much left of civilization to break down—unless the show dumps the entire cast and shows us a new city devolving into chaos each season. It’s not like we’re very attached to these characters. Which brings us to…

2. The main characters are really boring and stupid.

The characters in The Walking Dead can do some godawful stupid things sometimes, acting like puppets for the show’s writers lamely moving from one scenario to the next not because that’s what they would actually do but because that’s what the plot demands of them.

But they’re so much worse in Fear the Walking Dead. Outside of Daniel Salazar—AMC should find a way to get actor Ruben Blades into The Walking Dead instead—there aren’t many characters that actually deserve to survive. Madison and Travis are so slow on the uptake, it’s amazing they’ve made it this far. Nick is a junkie. Alicia is woefully underdeveloped in general.

In fact, I’d say the Salazar family is a much more compelling bunch than Travis and co. I’d much rather watch a story about Daniel and Griselda and Ofelia, but they’ve been largely relegated to secondary figures. I’m worried that Daniel is being used more as a catalyst for Travis and Madison’s growth than as a major character in his own right.

There’s no way to quickly or easily scrub the cast, however. So the writers need to do something they’ve never done before: Write the stories around the characters and not the other way around. Give these people real motivations, flaws, and conflicts and quit making them say and do stupid things unless you really want them to be stupid.

This leads to a secondary problem: We know that the zombie apocalypse is coming and we know that these are undead monsters that want to eat human flesh, but the characters don’t. In drama, we can’t help but place ourselves in the shoes of the characters we’re watching. When it works best is when we find ourselves asking “What would I do in this situation?” and not finding a ready answer. Good drama often means tough choices, morally complex conundrums, and so forth. But here we simply have characters acting ridiculous as the world crumbles around them, and since we’re all so used to this zombie parable, it’s bizarre to see characters react as though they’ve never even heard of such a thing, and it becomes very hard to empathize.

In a couple weeks when The Walking Dead airs, we’ll see a bunch of hardened, battle-ready survivors in a tense and compelling universe with morally complex dilemmas at every turn. But here, we have to watch a ragtag group of idiots keep making mistakes while we know better.

This might work if the breakdown of society was more gradual or if the characters were more sympathetic. Alas, such is not the case.

3. There’s too much fluff even in a plodding, slow-paced show.

Not every minute counts in Fear the Walking Dead. Too many minutes are spent on bad dialogue or forced drama. Compare this to a show like The Americans where almost every scene has its place, builds tension, revolves around real character motivation, internal conflict, emotion.

This is why the show feels too slow even as the plot takes massive leaps forward. There are so many scenes that feel like filler, even in a season that’s just six episodes long. The best moments have been the revelations of Daniel Salazar, or the weird jail monologue that the newly introduced Strand made last night. Meanwhile, the family moments between Madison and her kids, or between Travis and his son Chris, all feel horribly forced. Actually, Alicia and Chris playing dress up in an abandoned neighbors’ home was quite a lot better than most of the family interactions up to this point.

And maybe this will get better as events unfold and things heat up. Travis’s inability to shoot an infected in a distant building was a pretty good moment of tension, marred only by our growing dislike of Travis (or frustration/annoyance with Travis. He’s pretty likable still.)

This is a show in desperate need of an editor’s scalpel. Every moment needs to count. Every line of dialogue, every shot.

4. There’s not much fear here.

The Walking Dead has some scary moments but mostly it’s at its best when it’s showing us an all-or-nothing fight for survival. Rick and co. against the world. There have been some good frights, some moments where you jump out of your seat, but mainly the show has gone for gruesome or action-packed.

What I had hoped for in Fear the Walking Dead was a move toward more traditional horror, with a real sense of growing dread. And there have been one or two moments like this. The neighbors’ yard with its creepy garden was a great set-piece for a horror film/TV show. So was the junkie church.

Unfortunately, neither were very well utilized. We got our scene or two and moved right on. I want the fear to linger. Even just the neighbor chasing the woman across the street (who we knew had a young daughter) was a great foundation for a very scary episode, but it was just glossed right over.

The lack of dread, horror, fear and fright in this show is a huge problem. I mean, horror movies often have really dumb characters but manage to be scary regardless. I think if Fear the Walking Dead was truly scary, we could probably forgive its stupidity problem.

5. When The Walking Dead comes back on, the gap between the two shows will be even more apparent.

Along these lines, we can’t help but make comparisons between the spinoff and the mother-show. The Walking Dead has plenty of problems, and even shares a few with Fear the Walking Dead. But who would you rather watch for an hour each Sunday? Rick and Glenn and Morgan and Michonne? Or Travis and Madison and Liza and Chris?

Meanwhile, The Walking Dead has already given us a glimpse at this violent, deadly world and its violent, deadly people. We’ve seen hordes of zombies, evil cannibals, a crazy Governor, and the weirdly peaceful Alexandria. The survivors have been through insane conflicts, barely escaped grave peril countless times, and are all on the verge of serious mental breakdowns.

Unless Fear the Walking Dead gives us a very different kind of character drama, I’m not sure how it’s supposed to compete. And it does need to compete—and compliment—the flagship. It can’t afford to live in its shadow, or constantly be barraged by unkind comparisons to The Walking Dead.

That doesn’t mean it has to be just as good. AMC’s Better Call Saul is a spinoff of Breaking Bad, and one season in I can say with great certainty that it’s not nearly as good as Breaking Bad. But it never suffers in comparison to that show. It’s a good show on its own merits, with strong writing and great cinematography. The acting is excellent, and the characters and stories are all entertaining—a smart mix of sad and funny and absurd. Better Call Saul doesn’t need to be as good as Breaking Bad. It just needs to be good on its own merits, a show that exists in parallel to the flagship, not in that show’s shadow.

Unfortunately, Fear the Walking Dead doesn’t manage this. It’s trying too hard to be the same kind of show, telling the same kind of story, as The Walking Dead—only worse, with less interesting characters and a more tedious story.

How to fix this? I’m not really sure at this point, now that the first season is almost over and the premise has been thoroughly lost in the process. What we have now appears to be yet another story about the aftermath of the apocalypse. Our characters will survive—well, not all of them I hope—and become their own ragtag group of survivors gradually hardening to a hard world, only this time in the heat of southern California rather than the heat of Georgia.

Title: Re: Fear The Walking Dead (Season 1 - 2015)
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 30, 2015, 05:54:17 pm
Yeah, that was spot-on. In my rush to "review" the last two episodes, I forgot to mention one glaring thing that was apparent and that was the fact that the main characters have basically been isolated to the point that the viewer doesn't see anything beyond their refuge camp. I thought it was dumb that they would have Salazar head to the Sports Arena and then NOT show anything except doors rattling from the inside. It became abundantly clear what is wrong thus far with this season. AMC is still too f*cking cheap to pay for sh*t and it shows......well, their not showing anything and therein is the problem. This is the same problem that plagues the first two seasons of TWD when AMC went on their cost-cutting manifesto before they realized that they had a cash cow that would recoup whatever perceived loss they were going to incur with production. It's the same thing all over again. The only problem this time around, as mentioned in the previous post is that the characters aren't fan favorites and I don't see that happening anytime soon.