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Title: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 26, 2011, 10:27:58 am
I'm really not one to talk about Politics because it's a hot button topic that leads to way too many arguments. So, I usually refrain from it. Having said that, I find a lot of humor in the Republican Presidential Candidates. And I owe it all to these guys (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/tv/the-daily-show-vs-the-colbert-report/) for mining for gold in the continual phuck ups these candidates put themselves in.

So, anyone else here following the lunacy? Any favorites?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2011, 10:42:42 am
I refrain from talking politics in any kind of conversational mode. Sure I have opinions and will on occasion vent a rant, but beyond that I balance my life out with listening to very little political news and balance it out with great comedy points.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 11, 2011, 07:12:23 pm
Rick Perry (Oops)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvmKnFY4uk

Um....uh....um.....uh.....oops.

Good Lord. Just when you think this Presidential Race can't get any funnier, along come Rick Perry....again.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 16, 2011, 10:35:31 am
Bullet Strikes White House Window

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtD4eW1n018

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 16, 2011, 11:28:20 am
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Bullet Strikes White House Window

There is someone with a death wish.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 18, 2011, 08:56:11 am
Herman Cain Preview (The Late Show)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tBTq9cDSHI

Am I the only one in America that thinks Cain is nothing but a fraud? This guy is a clown and a joke. The only thing he is good for are the soundbites that give Colbert, Stewart, Letterman, etc...stuff to work with. But other than that..nothing. Watching him try to fake his way through interview after interview is really p*ssing me off because he thinks he can fake it with the American people and that we will buy this sort of garbage. Having said that, the Presidential Race this year is the most entertaining race I've seen...ever. Some really dumb candidates to say the least.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 18, 2011, 09:48:53 am
I honestly try to avoid any of this crap that is floating through the air right now. I'm aware of it, but pay it little attention. Politics is sludge and I think our founders would be mortified.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 19, 2011, 11:33:15 am
Herman Cain: I don't Know What I'm Doing (The Young Turks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO-TH9kESWQ

The two commentators reaction to Cain's policy had me howling. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif) I hope Cain himself sees this clip and comes to the realization of just how DUMB he really is.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 20, 2011, 07:57:55 am
Oh good lord.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 23, 2011, 01:17:08 pm
Herman Cain's Campaign Promises with Mike Tyson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJCYZ06IGI

Pizza PThursday.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)

Technically this could also go in Comedy Gold (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/stand-up-comedians/), but since I'm actively bashing Hermain Cain, it's only fitting it finds a home right here. To hell with Cain, I'm electing Mike Tyson for President. Who knew Tyson could be so funny? I can't stop laughing.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 26, 2011, 07:09:45 pm
Herman Cain Sings 'Imagine There's No Pizza' With Mike Tyson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pce1Ia7OVdw

Cringe inducing, but still funny to me.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 03, 2011, 03:38:54 pm
Herman Cain Suspends Presidential Bid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dp6-KveQhw

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)

Good riddance, you f ucking loser!
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/LoserYahooMessengersVersion.gif)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on December 04, 2011, 11:03:41 am
Ya, one less asshat to think about. This just hilights the whole political arena is clown show. I do not look forward to hear what comes from other 'hopefuls'.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 04, 2011, 11:05:49 am
I'm voting for Ficus. I might as well given that all the candidates thus far are wooden. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_wink.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 24, 2011, 10:55:33 am
Matt Damon Rips Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZheUoqt7XYo

I totally agree with Matt here. The only small "victory" I can take from this is at least I didn't vote for that numb skull that's sitting in the Oval Office right now. Not much of a victory though with him still dragging this country down. I have no idea who to vote for since the Republican Party candidates is a joke. Who's left? Argh!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on December 24, 2011, 01:49:11 pm
Thus the problem.

And I predict 2012 will even be worse for the Republicans. People will wind up say, aw just phuck it. They'll ignore it or say Obama still looks way better than any one of these asshats... combined.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 24, 2011, 03:17:34 pm
Pretty much on the nose.

:::sigh:::
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 28, 2011, 09:47:14 am
Bachmann's Iowa Tour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V3YU9Qn8DY

Why is she still running for President? And how come she gets to stand on the chair, yet when I do the samething at the local DQ, I'm asked to "get the phuck out?" Politicians in general make me laugh when it comes to glad-handling potential votes. "Hi, what's your name?" In her head she is "racking up the votes". If it were only that easy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on December 28, 2011, 10:35:25 pm
Why did you waste my time allowing that to be watched? I ask ya.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 28, 2011, 10:39:43 pm
Slow day in politics and I felt like bashing someone within the Republican Party. Not to worry, I will bash Obama tomorrow.

Me = Equal Opportunity Basher. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_biggrin.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 01, 2012, 03:18:27 pm
Iowa caucuses: Who will wind up ahead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnnh6aVB2ek

There is NO ONE in the Republican race that I can illegitimately support and I certainly wouldn't be dumb enough to vote for Obama. So, I guess I will just play the Lottery that day and hope to strike it rich.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 01, 2012, 06:40:58 pm
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There is NO ONE in the Republican race that I can illegitimately support and I certainly wouldn't be dumb enough to vote for Obama. So, I guess I will just play the Lottery that day and hope to strike it rich.

Good luck. I've been playing for awhile. Still not rich.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 01, 2012, 07:36:05 pm
Good luck. I've been playing for awhile. Still not rich.

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/wavegoodbye.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 03, 2012, 09:40:27 am
I really try to distance myself with politics. Just let me know when it's time to vote. Despite that I can't believe all the attention to the Iowa caucus. Hell, I don't even know what a caucus means. With all the polls and who's in front... seriously. I'm sure they care, but does America really care at this point. The election is practically a year off yet and the way the candidates change their lead and their points of view, none of this, nada, nothing matters now.

And in large part I blame the news channels for enabling this coverage.

asshats
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 03, 2012, 09:49:25 am
I'm only interested in how many different ways Stephen Colbert can make fun of each and every politician. No lie. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_smile.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 14, 2012, 01:03:56 am
Jon Huntsman Getting Beat by Stephen Colbert in South Carolina Polling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZVpHma6oOc

True story.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)

Finally a candidate I can support. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 17, 2012, 09:41:15 am
This is part WTF thread, but honestly highlights politicians.

Believe me, seeing pajama pants at the gas station has become more common and I just shake my head because of the numbnut wearing them. Either their stupid or lazy. But to ban or make a law... give me a break. But what this is going to do is highlight the issue and more people will jump on the fad bandwagon.  :'(

Revealing proposal: La. official wants to ban pajamas in public (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10174577-revealing-proposal-la-official-wants-to-ban-pajamas-in-public)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TYmtBstW8YM/SgSCrpcz2NI/AAAAAAAAALM/CgIVbFS2hWA/s400/pjpants+001.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 19, 2012, 10:47:05 pm
Rick Perry Out; Newt Gingrich Surging

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBQpxEKWajY

Endorse anybody but Gingrich. Wait, there really isn't anyone to endorse....except....


STEPHEN COLBERT!!!!!!!!
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_biggrin.gif)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 20, 2012, 08:15:17 am
Oh gawd, I'm glad I'm not paying to much attention to these douchebags. There down to what, Santorum, Gingrich and Romney? Good Lord, I watched people say about Gingriches 'open marriage', oh well, what he does at home is not the same in office.

WHAT?

Than Romney is a poster boy of what douche looks like. Gawd, he just exudes politics and I'm gonna do what I gotta do for myself and step on the little people on the way up.

All of if very sickening.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2012, 08:24:15 am
Mitt Romney: Still Hunting for a Straight Answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUKOkvODM3M


It's all the double-speak that he does that makes me what to punch him in the face. When asked about making his Tax Returns public at the last debate and he just goes on and on and on, sidestepping the question without giving a definitive answer. Ugh. Simple question with a Yes or No answer. Just answer the damn question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/banghead.gif)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2012, 10:49:08 am
Stephen Colbert New Super PAC Ad for South Carolina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UOGKO7tM34&feature=related

Mitt the Ripper (Stephen Colbert's Super PAC Campaign AD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpLFjRixpKo

The Mitt The Ripper AD is particularly funny.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2012, 11:25:09 pm
Comedian Colbert Campaigns Day Before SC Primary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13EB5ah2uw

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2012, 07:37:37 am
This is what we will have on Election Day:

Newt Gingrich

or

Mitt Romney

or

Barack Obama


This

Is

So

Depressing!!!!

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/slit.gif)

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_mad.gif)

This could be the first time I refuse to vote. This is not good. Not good at all.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2012, 07:43:45 am
Newt Gingrich Attacks CNN's John King Over Open Marriage Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_g23JkXnU&feature=related

What a bunch of f ucking sheep. Do they even know what it is they are applauding? Gingrich is a hypocrite to say that asking that question is "despicable". Really dude? That's the despicable thing here?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 24, 2012, 09:55:04 am
Yea, saw that. Jaw dropping to hear the applaud.

I wish the media would have stepped up instead of back off.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2012, 10:10:41 am
If I was in the audience, when it was quiet enough that you could hear a pin dropped, I would have yelled out that he was a hypocrite for talking about 'Family Values' when he had none. For someone that cheats on his wives, he is the LAST to be pointing the finger. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_mad.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 24, 2012, 10:15:17 am
But he found religion... He's a changed man. (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/DevilLaughing.gif)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2012, 06:43:16 pm
JFK tapes reveal final days of presidency

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCWWNDQj74

I feel embarrassed putting JFK in the same thread with these other clowns. Sorry.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 26, 2012, 10:00:28 am
Gingrich promises US moon colony by 2020 (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/25/10237875-gingrich-promises-us-moon-colony-by-2020)

Wow, just wow. WTF Newt. So this a pressing concern on people's minds. Really? Your running with that? Not that I care a flying flip what these politicians say, but I think it's important we highlight the ridiculous... for the laughs.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 26, 2012, 10:04:17 am
The guy is an idiot and he just gave me even more reasons to make fun of him. Seriously, I can't see myself voting for anyone during the next election which is absolutely shameful.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 31, 2012, 10:40:39 am
What a colossal douche and really, just about everything under Politics should be under Glorious Fail (except Colbert)

This has happened time and time again, but especially with Gingrich knowing copyright laws. Good lord Butt munch.

Gingrich sued for using 'Eye of the Tiger'

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich faces a lawsuit over his use of "Eye of the Tiger," the theme song to the movie "Rocky III," court documents show.

The claim for copyright infringement, lodged on Monday by Rude Music Inc in an Illinois federal court, relates to Gingrich's use of the song at his political rallies.

Rude Music Inc is owned by Frank Sullivan, who co-wrote the Grammy-award winning song. In addition to Gingrich, the complaint names his campaign, Newt 2012 Inc, and the American Conservative Union, an advocacy organization, as defendents.

The complaint states that the violation it alleges is intentional since Gingrich is "sophisticated and knowledgeable" concerning copyright laws. Rude Music Inc has requested the court to order an end to unauthorized use of the song by the defendents, and to award Rude Music Inc damages.
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A Gingrich campaign spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 31, 2012, 10:44:14 am
Gingrich's mindset and one of the reasons why I detest him as much as I do is that he thinks the law doesn't apply to him.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 01, 2012, 07:30:34 am
KISS Republican Party Band (The Colbert Report)

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/TV%20Series%20Screen%20Caps%20Also%20Check%20In%20Misc%20Folder/The%20Colbert%20Report/Season%2008/001-1.jpg)

As seen on The Colbert Report on Monday, a suggestion by Stephen that the remaining Republican Candidates form a band (KISS) to combat Obama's singing that's sure to win him the Presidency again. Newt was chosen as Gene Simmons because......

...I'll let you guess.

FYI, if you're asking yourself why this isn't in the KISS thread, then you don't know me very well. I wouldn't dare tarnish that thread with these bozo's.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 01, 2012, 09:41:34 am
Let's give equal time. From one douche to the next. If I were a staunch republican, I would think I'd be thinking, aw crap, this is what I have to choose from?

Romney: 'I'm not concerned about the very poor' (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/01/10289765-romney-im-not-concerned-about-the-very-poor)

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All political candidates -- just like all non-politicians -- make verbal gaffes.

On Monday, for example, Republicans jumped on President Obama for saying the word "interesting" when a woman asked him a question about her unemployed husband. (In that exchange, Obama asked the woman to send her husband's resume to him.)

But in politics, what becomes damaging is when a verbal gaffe fits a pre-existing narrative. And that's what happened today when Mitt Romney uttered the words: "I'm not concerned about the very poor."

In an interview this morning, CNN's Soledad O'Brien asked Romney about perceptions that he doesn't understand the needs of average Americans. In response, Romney said:

    This is a time people are worried. They're frightened. They want someone who they have confidence in. And I believe I will be able to instill that confidence in the American people. And, by the way, I'm in this race because I care about Americans.  I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it.

    I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation. 

When O'Brien followed on Romney's I'm-not-concerned-about-the-very-poor comment, the presidential candidate responded:

    The challenge right now – we will hear from the Democrat Party the plight of the poor, and – and there’s no question, it's not good being poor and we have a safety net to help those that are very poor.

    But my campaign is focused on middle income Americans. My campaign – you can choose where to focus. You can focus on the rich. That's not my focus. You can focus on the very poor. That's not my focus.

(In fact, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the largest benefits of Romney's tax plan go to the wealthy, not the middle class.)

Romney's comment about not being concerned about the poor is his latest statement that his rivals -- either Democratic or Republican -- could use to portray Romney as being out of touch with average Americans. Other examples:

-- his $10,000 bet with Rick Perry (at December GOP debate)
-- "I like being able to fire people," even though he was referring to insurers (at speech in New Hampshire)
-- "There were a couple of times I wondered if I was going to get a pink slip" (during remarks in New Hampshire)
-- saying that questions about economic inequality are "about envy" (on "TODAY" back in January)
-- and the ultimate release of his 2010 tax returns, which showed him paying an effective tax rate of less than 15%
.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 04, 2012, 05:37:37 pm
Prostitutes Donating To Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9PrR_J9vJM

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/lol.gif)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 05, 2012, 09:11:35 am
Prostitutes are people too.

On the flip side, giving anything to any politician is not in my thinking.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 06, 2012, 10:40:51 am
Peter Gabriel pulls music from Limbaugh show over Fluke furor

My main man... Mr. Gabriel!!!
Thank you for your part on telling bloated asshat what you think.

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Advertisers aren’t the only ones pulling their products from "The Rush Limbaugh Radio Show."

In the wake of host Rush Limbaugh’s attack on Georgetown student and birth control advocate Sandra Fluke, musician Peter Gabriel has moved to have his music withdrawn from the controversial program. After learning that his song “Sledgehammer” was played during Limbaugh’s rant, in which he called Fluke a “****” and a “prostitute,” a spokesperson for Gabriel released the following statement:

    "Peter was appalled to learn that his music was linked to Rush Limbaugh's extraordinary attack on Sandra Fluke. It is obvious from anyone that knows Peter's work that he would never approve such a use. He has asked his representatives to make sure his music is withdrawn and especially from these unfair aggressive and ignorant comments."

The move comes following a mass exodus of sponsors for the program, including ProFlowers, Legal Zoom, Citrix Systems, Tax Resolutions, Sleep Train, Sleep Number, Quicken Loans and the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball teams.

The conservative firebrand sparked outrage when he said that Fluke, a college student who was denied the right to speak at a contraception hearing, was "having so much sex she can't pay for it" and that women who want insurance plans to cover their birth control should post videos of themselves having sex online.

Limbaugh issued an apology following the attack, in which he states: "For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 06, 2012, 10:50:37 am
Limbaugh is a  f u c k i n g  idiot. It's funny how he can call the chick a  s l u t and a  p r o s t i t u t e  and then turn around and issue an apology because he is losing sponsors, i.e. money. Hmmm....apology + money = hypocritical  p r o s t i t u t e.

I just don't like that guy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 06, 2012, 11:20:20 am
I don't have such kind words to describe him.

Supposedly this guy has what, 20+ million listeners? Where are they? I've met 2 in my lifetime. And those are the ones to admit they do. Maybe it's me. I don't want to associate with people who like what he does.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 08, 2012, 09:52:44 am
Stephen Colbert hits 'snooze' on his Countdown to Loving Mitt clock (http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/08/10609864-stephen-colbert-hits-snooze-on-his-countdown-to-loving-mitt-clock)

Too funny

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There may be many people who considered Super Tuesday worthy of its superlative, but don't count Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart among them. On Wednesday, both "The Colbert Report" and "The Daily Show" hosts tore into the idea that the big vote-a-thon had any role in decisively picking the front-runner for the 2012 Republican ticket.

Colbert called it a "a big, sweaty pile of lever-yankin' Republican voters." And for those who find that characterization disrespectful, he explained: "like most orgies, it involves a bunch of middle-aged guys who are not appealing to women."

More... (http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/08/10609864-stephen-colbert-hits-snooze-on-his-countdown-to-loving-mitt-clock)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 08, 2012, 12:10:22 pm
Yeah, I watched this and it's been pretty funny. The good thing is with Colbert hitting the snooze button, we have 3 more days of lunacy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 30, 2012, 10:25:58 am
Santorum's Profanity Tirade At Reporter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_HPYvwcXjA

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 30, 2012, 10:35:08 am
Such the Christian isn't he?

Hey, I'm not offended. He's a man and there are times that enough is enough, but I'm offended he has been pushing his Christian image. I know way to many of my Christian brethren who are hypocrites. Just show me the real you. But that seems to be impossible in politics.

I've said it in my Bible Class. I want a president that excels in his moral and ethical attitude, but keep religion and religious beliefs out. They do not mix.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 30, 2012, 10:42:52 am
I'm not offended by his "profane" outburst at the reporter. I'm offended that he doesn't do it more often.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 03, 2012, 11:46:50 am
Senator John McCain Endorses President Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiNnLjXLJq0

A blast from the past. This definitely belongs in Glorious Fail (http://pennycan.createaforum.com/general-discussion/glorious-fail/msg4129/#msg4129) as well, but decided it best to post it here.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 03, 2012, 12:14:17 pm
Wow... Freudian slip me thinks
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 17, 2012, 07:08:44 pm
Ted Nugent Obama Comments Draw Secret Service Scrutiny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEt7JaggLwU

"American Guitarist.....and future prisoner".

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I think most people already know how outspoken Ted is of the administration, which is something he's usually is at every sitting President. I really don't take what he said to be something that should be worried about. He's more of the "all talk, no action" variety. I get that any "threat" still has it's protocols that have to be followed though. But this is getting blown way out of proportion IMO.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 17, 2012, 07:18:20 pm
I like how these guys discuss the latest news. Sometimes they crack me up.

Ted Nugent was just here in St. Louis and took over the radio Station I like to listen too (Dave Glover Show). I have not heard it yet, but will in a future podcast.

Ted is outspoken. At times, I wish more people were like him. At times, but Ted is like that 100% of the time and I think he is a tad extreme. As far as watching him... Probably not.

What I am getting very tired of is the disrespect of The President. Don't care if you don't like him, but you don't shout out crap during his addressing the nation, you don't point your finger in his face. I think the ethical and moral ground is erroding. People are becoming more ignorant without thinking about consequences.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 18, 2012, 09:28:22 pm
Kim Kardashian Running For Mayor of Glendale, CA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is6xnETOBUQ

Please do not be true. I would only vote for her if on the ballot there is an option of Hottest Ass. Other than that....nada.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 19, 2012, 06:41:31 am
There is so much wrong with that. One being, that's where I was born. Hot @ss my @ss. Sorry that ship has sailed. The attention she gets for doing nothing bores me.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 19, 2012, 09:34:46 am
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Ted Nugent Obama Comments Draw Secret Service Scrutiny

Secret Service set to meet with Ted Nugent (http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11283703-secret-service-set-to-meet-with-ted-nugent?lite)

I'm not even going to repost this. It's just another one of many recent fabricated, generated stories out of nothing that do nothing but attract fly's to flypaper.

F u c k Nugent.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 19, 2012, 09:46:05 am
Ted just got Wango Tango'd by da man.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 20, 2012, 06:43:11 pm
Bachmann Says Obama 'Waving A Tar Baby In The Air'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etRpzFEgT00

This definitely can go in the Glorious Fail or What the F*ck Threads. She is so dumb. I'm glad she isn't an option to run the country.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 23, 2012, 09:52:06 am
Ted Nugent signs plea deal after illegally killing a bear on his TV show

Maybe it was on Bill Maher or Chip's news show, but someone made the comment about how a lot of these guys (politicians, activist, etc) get tripped up, is they keep talking. I don't know... to stay relevant? Ted Nugent just talks too much. And after hearing a big dose of him over the weekend on the Dave Glover Show, half the stuff he says is reasonable, but then he keeps talking and then he starts to sound real bad. On one hand, I admire his beliefs and confidence, but the coc ky tends to sink him.

He was asked by Dave if running for office is in the cards, and he said sure. Anything is possible. I just don't think he could last. Despite his coc kyness, he hasn't debated in someone else's arena. It's always his show. And his statements about how his family comes first is absolutely great. I just think like every other politician, the media will generate scum and not sure Nugent could handle it in the correct manor.

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Ted Nugent’s run in the headlines continues as he’s now facing the repercussions of illegally killing a black bear in the Alaskan tundra while filming his television series, “Spirit of the Wild.”

In a report in the Anchorage Daily News, the musician and reality star signed a plea agreement with federal prosecutors on April 14 and admitted to illegally shooting and transporting a black bear in Sukkwan Island, Alaska, two years ago. The kill surpassed federal hunting limits after Nugent injured another bear with an arrow four days prior. Both attacks were caught on camera by the rocker, and used as material in his TV show.
More... (http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11352329-ted-nugent-signs-plea-deal-after-illegally-killing-a-bear-on-his-tv-show?lite)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 23, 2012, 11:14:52 am
President Nugent? Naw.. Him running would amount to the level of  "Gary Coleman size press". After the initial sideshow aspect to it, he would fade pretty fast, unless he was serious about doing real debates. The guy does like to talk, but can and would he actually attend a debate with moderators? If he did that he would have to abide by it's rules and I think Ted likes to control the debate as much as possible so that he can steamroll over his opponent. So, in order to be taken seriously, he is going to have to give up some of that control and 'man up' to the challenge.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 24, 2012, 10:10:31 am
Jon Stewart only finds one possible running mate for Mitt Romney

This is hilarious... (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=daily+show+vice+and+men&oq=daily+show+vice+and+men&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.3...694.7852.0.8167.25.25.1.2.2.0.226.2659.3j18j1.22.0.)

I couldn't find a video to paste here
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 24, 2012, 10:21:03 am
Jon Stewart only finds one possible running mate for Mitt Romney

This is hilarious... (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=daily+show+vice+and+men&oq=daily+show+vice+and+men&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.3...694.7852.0.8167.25.25.1.2.2.0.226.2659.3j18j1.22.0.)

I couldn't find a video to paste here

I haven't clicked on the link, but does this have anything to do with Mitt's shadow?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 24, 2012, 10:25:20 am
Dunno... what's Mit's shadow. I just thought Stewart was funnier than hell in his presentation of running mates... for Mit
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 24, 2012, 10:41:42 am
Dunno... what's Mit's shadow. I just thought Stewart was funnier than hell in his presentation of running mates... for Mit

Stephen Colbert did a bit on who should be Mitt's running mate, which I thought was funny. I just figured Jon was taking the same gag on his own. Will watch The Daily Show in a bit and see if it's on there first.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 24, 2012, 12:39:51 pm
The link doesn't go anywhere other than to the YouTube menu. So, not sure what video you were trying to single out. But are we in agreement that you were trying to find John Oliver's "interview" with Herman Cain?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 24, 2012, 06:12:59 pm
Jon Lovitz: Obama Is A 'F***ing A**hole'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAkmGOKXQ3c
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 25, 2012, 04:28:04 am
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The link doesn't go anywhere other than to the YouTube menu. So, not sure what video you were trying to single out. But are we in agreement that you were trying to find John Oliver's "interview" with Herman Cain?

Nah, Stewart was running all kinds of clips of those wanting nothing to do becoming vice president for MIT and his commentary between the clips.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 25, 2012, 07:11:54 am
Nah, Stewart was running all kinds of clips of those wanting nothing to do becoming vice president for MIT and his commentary between the clips.

Yeah, that was the lead into the John Oliver interview with Herman Cain on The Daily Show. I really don't know if Cain was in on the joke, but Oliver was asking him really dumb questions to kind of highlight the fact that Cain is stupid. The final question he asked him was "what would you say to the American people if we were attacked by Aliens and you needed to rally the troops". Cain gave his answer/speech that was very reminiscent of ID4. It was AWESOME!!!!

The reason why they had this interview is because Jon Stewart was pushing for Cain to become Mitt's running partner. So damn funny!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 25, 2012, 07:15:09 am

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Get More: Daily Show Full Episodes,Political Humor & Satire Blog,The Daily Show on Facebook

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 25, 2012, 07:15:28 am
Here ya go.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 25, 2012, 02:18:24 pm
Slow Jam The News with Barack Obama (Late Night with Jimmy Fallon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAFQIciWsF4

An Obama Issue disguised as a 'Slow Jam'. Obama really doesn't add anything to what is a successful 'bit' that Jimmy does.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 04, 2012, 10:00:59 am
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President Nugent? Naw.. Him running would amount to the level of  "Gary Coleman size press". After the initial sideshow aspect to it, he would fade pretty fast, unless he was serious about doing real debates. The guy does like to talk, but can and would he actually attend a debate with moderators? If he did that he would have to abide by it's rules and I think Ted likes to control the debate as much as possible so that he can steamroll over his opponent. So, in order to be taken seriously, he is going to have to give up some of that control and 'man up' to the challenge.

Yep, he'd never make it. Too much of a hot head talker and all about himself. I'd think it would be very easy to push his buttons in the right environment.

Ted Nugent snaps at CBS reporter in first sit-down since Obama controversy

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There was no moderation in Ted Nugent’s first interview since his Secret Service investigation, as the rocker, in seconds, switched from unruffled discourse to expletive-ridden rage when asked about his recent political rhetoric.

In a sit-down interview with the "CBS Morning Show" on Friday, set at the musician’s ranch in Texas, Nugent met with journalist Jeff Glor in, what began as, a calm back-and-forth discussion about allegations he had threatened President Obama, and the Secret Service inquiry that ensued.

More...  (http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/04/11538754-ted-nugent-snaps-at-cbs-reporter-in-first-sit-down-since-obama-controversy?lite)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 04, 2012, 10:06:41 am
Ted Nugent Excerpt (CBS)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ-LWPZqZRc

A little bit of the interview............
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 17, 2012, 10:32:02 am
Christie uses humor video to connect, but could Romney follow suit?

While I don't understand all the nuances, I found this to be refreshing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHN0ZeS5c-4
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 24, 2012, 08:39:41 pm
Bill Clinton Poses With  P o r n  Stars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmUFQln9P8

Stud.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 28, 2012, 01:34:37 pm
Will A **** Billboard Help Natalia Juarez Win An Election In Mexico?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDHvPOjaUz0

Just wait till Ron Paul decides to get votes this way.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 30, 2012, 07:05:01 am
Rep. Mike Bost Is Furious Over Pension Reforms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhbRcDZiJJc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URToQLBdQOc

This is awesome!! If they made this more like WWE, you'd have a lot of kids tuning in to watch. I know I would.

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/HTL_biggrin.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 30, 2012, 09:25:01 am
Hey, some politicians do have heart... have soul... have some passion.

That's what politics will do to you. PHUCK YOU UP.

I can't imagine being in that environment, let alone work with it and it's people.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 30, 2012, 01:51:05 pm
Obama Kill List

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLrn8Bcudp8
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 31, 2012, 08:44:22 pm
'Ass-Licker' Michelle Malkin Attacks Michelle Obama On Fox News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1_PCPwZA

Who the  f u c k  is Michelle Malkin? Never heard of her till just now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 01, 2012, 04:18:19 am
Like them, laughing at how ridiculous this is.

Never heard of her
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 06, 2012, 06:50:09 am
Jill Bidden (The Colbert Report)

The Colbert Report
Get More: Colbert Report Full Episodes,Political Humor & Satire Blog,Video Archive


I had no idea that Jill Bidden was an active Teacher. I find that pretty cool that she wouldn't forgo what she enjoys doing just because of her current "status" as 2nd First Lady.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 07, 2012, 09:47:40 am
Manhunt for Greek lawmaker who hit female rival on live television

Wow, just wow.

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ATHENS – The spokesman for Greece's far-right party Golden Dawn threw a glass of water at a female leftist politician and hit another in the face on live television Thursday, causing a political uproar and leading a prosecutor to seek his arrest.

The morning talk show on private television station Antenna was interrupted by the incident and Ilias Kasidiaris was locked in a room at the TV studio but he broke down a door and escaped, the TV host said.

ITV News, which carried a video of the incident, reported that a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

More... with the video (http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/07/12101809-manhunt-for-greek-lawmaker-who-hit-female-rival-on-live-television?lite)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 07, 2012, 10:10:18 am
That is fuuuuuuuuuucked up!! Clearly the guy was losing the argument/debate to resort to childish behavior. I for one can't wait till he is caught, tried, sent to prison and made to be someone's  b i t c h  in Cell Block D .
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 07, 2012, 12:26:05 pm
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/DevilLaughing.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 13, 2012, 12:19:54 am
F**k Habeas Corpus - Supreme Court Decision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6XZVgSLLh0

Interesting. And here i thought we had a President that we could trust.




Yeah....right.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 13, 2012, 10:55:27 am
Gahhh, politics. I just don’t get it and I think that’s the intent of politicians. Not only are we fed a different perspective, I believe they lead a social and political life we, the people, will never see. I don’t know about Obama’s view on Habeas Corpus. But we all tend to assign or blame a single person for something that requires many individuals. I’m talking to you… Congress.

I’m still reeling from the perks these ‘terrorist detainees’ that Gitmo are getting… paid by us. 750K soccer field w/ unlimited access? And so many other perks.

But really what I’m trying to say, are these two were talking about that we will be the target of hatred because of our policies. Honestly, I think the US has been too politically correct. Time to get tough. Let other’s know you don’t f uck with us. I don’t see anybody taking us as serious.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 13, 2012, 11:29:48 am
There will come a time when the US as you put it is so politically correct that in any future war we engage in, those that are sent off to fight the good fight will be ordered to "talk them down" and if at any time they draw and fire their weapon on a battlefield, they will be brought up on charges, tried and convicted.

Hey, it's not as absurd as you may think.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 13, 2012, 02:49:41 pm
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There will come a time when the US as you put it is so politically correct that in any future war we engage in, those that are sent off to fight the good fight will be ordered to "talk them down" and if at any time they draw and fire their weapon on a battlefield, they will be brought up on charges, tried and convicted.

Hey, it's not as absurd as you may think.

That's already happened. I hope I can find the details related to what you mentioned.

here it is.... Rocky Sickmann (http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/239596/3/Looking-back-at-Iranian-Hostage-Crisis)

Read about what the guards were told to do. Rocky thinks this was a major turning point in the US handling conflict.
And I think we can safely say, it's happened way more than we will ever know.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 13, 2012, 02:55:51 pm
Great link. I remember that whole situation like it was yesterday. I may have been just a kid when it happened, but it left a lasting impression.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 13, 2012, 02:59:37 pm
I have faint memories of it.

Today, The Dave Glover Show (http://www.971talk.com/glover/index.aspx) is good friends with Rocky and some of the other vets and they talk on occasional basis about this and other military things.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 19, 2012, 08:22:40 am
Obama interrupted at 'Dream Act' speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHD0rH3WIDk
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 19, 2012, 09:33:05 am
I still can't get over how disrespectful people have become with this president. He's the president. Treat him with respect. Period.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 19, 2012, 09:42:12 am
The "Reporter" is hoping to get a Reality TV Series out of this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 27, 2012, 06:08:15 pm
'Fast And Furious' Scandal BS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzRZIrfnkQU
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 28, 2012, 09:34:20 am
the sub-titles were fun to read.

No seriously...
... anyway, Fortune magazine? Really, a financial mag investigating government and political scams? Do they do this often? Just not sure about the validity of the research and report.
I've heard stories quite different than reported in this piece. Sounds like a lot of cover-up any way you slice it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 29, 2012, 07:18:19 am
Health Care Law Decision Explained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-AxhtubXdY
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 29, 2012, 09:53:32 am
While I won't get into the politics of this, I found it interesting how the media is itching to put something, anything out as fast as they can.

Fox news, what? Heard something so they reported a rumor? Then looked stupid as phuck having to recant.

I'm just so blown away at all the news organizations and their bias or slant on politics.

Long gone are the days of reporting facts... unbiased.  :'(
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 29, 2012, 09:59:47 am
Is this politics? WTF Kidding me? Fail?

Sick, 'drugged up' hospital patients asked to pay in ER

Bedside Manner: Hospital patients asked to pay at bedside (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rock-center/48006879)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 07, 2012, 12:15:22 pm
Brad Pitt's Mom Slams 'Barack Hussein Obama'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSpnuPd1LTQ
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 21, 2012, 12:07:45 pm
Wolf Blitzer Reacts To Romney Felony Accusations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rhZZzhNgb4
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 21, 2012, 03:37:42 pm
Wow, just wow. He nails on the head about "The Elite" doesn't he. These guys have no clue, nor do they want to care about middle America or Joe the Plumber.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 21, 2012, 03:41:16 pm
Yeah. That's the thing I like about TYT. They don't shy away from calling  b u l l s h i t  on a lot of topics that FOX, CNN, etc....like to spin in their own washing machine. There's something to be said about having your own newscast channel on YouTube and not on a big network. If they did, they wouldn't be so blatant about knocking idiots down a few notches.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 21, 2012, 03:57:24 pm
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Yeah. That's the thing I like about TYT. They don't shy away from calling  b u l l s h i t  on a lot of topics that FOX, CNN, etc....like to spin in their own washing machine. There's something to be said about having your own newscast channel on YouTube and not on a big network. If they did, they wouldn't be so blatant about knocking idiots down a few notches.

Exactly, the news media is biased in one direction or the other.

Thats what HBO's Newsroom is focusing on. I love it.

Thanks for posting these guys broadcasts. I need a different perspective from all the BS elsewhere
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 17, 2012, 09:26:32 am
Obama Staging Mass Shootings, Says Megadeth Singer Dave Mustaine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dIMCkQ6E-4

Definitely could go in the What The F*ck Thread and Fail Thread. Look, I don't like Obama just as much as the next person, but I wish these Rockers and Movie Stars would shut the  f u c k  up about their political views and conspiracy theories. 99% of the time they are speaking through anger and end up embarrassing themselves in the process which ends up shining a bad light on the rest of us that actually do have something to say and can articulate it well with facts to back whatever angle it may be.

*Sigh*
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 17, 2012, 07:26:15 pm
Tom Morello Rips Paul Ryan, Supposed Fan Of Rage Against The Machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iljJo0cPFY
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 18, 2012, 07:37:59 am
I don't care if they are celebrity, joe average or what. The extremes just **** me off. I hate the idea that I have to work at it not bothering me.

Unfortunately some of my family members fall into this extremism. The HATE Obama so much, their brains and thoughts are so racked up with strange ideas, it's embarrassing.

I would kind of like to find out where this hate comes from. If at the core of it, that it's racism, which I think it is, then I don't even know how to have a conversation with these people.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 30, 2012, 07:24:59 pm
Clint Eastwood was sooooooooooooo funny. Hahaha. Awesome!

Dirty Harry For Prez 2016!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 30, 2012, 08:20:19 pm
Clint Eastwood RNC 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=933hKyKNPFQ
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 31, 2012, 03:39:28 am
ABC World News Now : Mitt Romney & Clint Eastwood Address RNC 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXqUKZI_JY
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 15, 2012, 11:32:36 am
Bachmann vs. Palin, Who's Crazier?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lYg5P7BXEw

I think they are both nuts. But I think the same thing about all Politician's. Why? They gotta be nuts if they think I can or will ever trust them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 18, 2012, 03:29:10 pm
The Rumble - John Stewart vs. Bill O'Reilly
Saturday, October 6th at 8pm ET from Lisner Auditorium at The George Washington University.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Bi9TKESkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLnOg2D9Cl0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cruw6dX18pg

"Stewart wins because he finally makes the big time, and I win because I can make fun of Stewart," O'Reilly says while announcing the event during his show on the Fox News Channel.

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Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart and Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly will debate each other about political issues during a live event to be streamed over the Internet.

O’Reilly announced the event on his show, The O’Reilly Factor, on Monday night.

“The format is exactly like the presidential debates, without all the phoniness and pomposity,” O’Reilly said.

The debate is dubbed “The Rumble in the Air-Conditioned Auditorium” and is set for Oct. 6 at George Washington University in Washington. Tickets for the live show are $4.95 apiece, and half the profits are earmarked for charities.

O’Reilly called the event a win-win situation.

“You win because we kept the price very low and it will be a fun evening,” O’Reilly said during his Monday show. “The nation wins because there will be plenty of no-spin analysis about serious issues. Stewart wins because he finally makes the big time, and I win because I can make fun of Stewart.”

The pair are seen trash-talking each other at the website TheRumble2012.com, which is also where they are telling their fans to go to sign up for the online stream.

One video says of the event, “It’s why Al Gore invented the Internet.”

In another video, Stewart likens the debate to Thunderdome, except that “two men enter and both leave, but probably not together.”

O’Reilly promises a “train wreck” in another video.

“It will be a night to remember,” says O’Reilly. “At least for Stewart and his 18 writers.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 18, 2012, 03:32:19 pm
Is this going to be televised on Comedy Central?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 18, 2012, 03:35:18 pm
dunno... you'd think
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 18, 2012, 03:36:32 pm
I watch CC during the week and I have yet to see any promo's for this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2012, 06:54:13 pm
The Presidential Debate needs Ring Card Girls wearing thongs and pasties. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 03, 2012, 07:27:53 pm
Boo-ya
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2012, 07:52:17 pm
Round 1 goes to Mitt Romney. Easily. Obama was lost at times...grapsing for a coherent thought.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 03, 2012, 08:54:50 pm
Agree. Have been waiting for Mitt to bring on the heat.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2012, 08:58:22 pm
He did exceptionally well. I really was waiting for him to put his foot in his mouth given all of the slip ups lately. But he owned and commanded the podium and was never intimidated by either the Moderator or the Prez. I actually thought the Prez was intimidated at times. It was awesome.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the VP Debate will bring. Paul Ryan vs Joe Biden. Bring it on!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 03, 2012, 09:04:56 pm
Kinda interested in the VP debate. Don't think it means much to most folks.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2012, 09:50:14 pm
Kinda interested in the VP debate. Don't think it means much to most folks.

VP = Junior Varsity

Means they too don't get laid.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 04, 2012, 06:27:44 am
Analyzing Presidential Candidates' Economic Plans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJTQDMZ-dyg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 08, 2012, 12:53:48 pm
Bill O'Reilly VS. Jon Stewart - Rumble 2012- Full Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ubSV5o7Fs
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 09, 2012, 11:52:36 am
Why I'm Voting For Mitt Romney Video Breakdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgWaZ1D1QYs

Hubba, hubba!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 09, 2012, 05:43:11 pm
That can only be watched with sound off
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 09, 2012, 05:47:16 pm
Was there sound? I got as far as 20 seconds. NEW RECORD!!!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!! (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/banana.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 09, 2012, 05:57:47 pm
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Was there sound? I got as far as 20 seconds. NEW RECORD!!!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!!

20 seconds... what happens after 20 seconds? Gotta clean up your monitor?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 09, 2012, 06:02:44 pm
Can't......move. Frozen.....in.....amber......
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 10, 2012, 10:29:02 am
Al Gore blames Denver altitude for Obama's poor debate performance (http://www.examiner.com/article/al-gore-blames-denver-altitude-for-obama-s-poor-debate-performance)

Just when you think a Politician is crossing over to becoming a fan with the public at large, he goes and says this. Idiot.

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 10, 2012, 02:58:32 pm
W-T-F Al
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 10, 2012, 03:00:25 pm
W-T-F Al

Think about it, if what he is staying is fact and it affected Obama, wouldn't the same thing also apply to Rommey? He can't skew it just to one side for the benefit of giving the Prez an 'out'.

FAIL!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 11, 2012, 05:42:10 pm
The Veeps Debate tonight in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 11, 2012, 06:41:58 pm
Biden is losing his cool and it's awesome. He's a jackass.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 11, 2012, 07:39:21 pm
Brutal debate. I think Biden did himself and the Prez a huge disservice with him constantly losing his cool as well as trying to bully Paul Ryan. Was this a landslide victory like the first Presidential Debate? No. But I think that Ryan came off much better than Biden did. This round goes to Ryan, just wasn't a Knockout like Romney over Obama.

Final Prez Debate is next Tuesday. Bring it on!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 11, 2012, 11:46:55 pm
Vice Presidential Debate 2012 Winner: Joe Biden, Paul Ryan: Who Won?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc95ti_ckkg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 14, 2012, 10:42:39 am
Include me in the big percentile of those who take the Vice Presidents idea’s and words with a grain of
salt. I take the whole campaigning machine with a grain of salt, but the VP is just a small portion of it. I
think it’s obvious as hell that Ryan was selected for the main reason to shine new and different light on
Romney. Biden is Biden. He raises his head and spews dumb **** comments once in awhile to remind us
he’s still here.

I watched 30 minutes of the VP debate. In that 30 minutes I got what little I needed in information.
They both came out calm and cool. Biden slowly built up some passion and it was good to see that. I
would have been happy if Ryan did the same thing. But Biden definitely made me wonder why he was
smiling all the time. Grinning ear to ear, when Ryan was slamming him and the President. Nervousness?
I thought… stupidity. Why the hell are you smiling dude. Ryan on the other hand was even tempered.
But to my Ryan did two things wrong. First, several of his statements were pretty high up and detailed
about foreign policy. Many times I had no clue to what he was saying. But Ryan killed it for me by saying
we need to change the Ayatollah’s minds.

WTF Ryan... why do people let alone politicians think this is remotely possible?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 16, 2012, 03:39:21 pm
Final Presidential Debate tonight. I've already voted by mail (yesterday). I don't have time to stand in line and have volunteers "help" me. I can cross the damn street without any help, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 16, 2012, 07:49:48 pm
That's what you call a Debate. Was it a knock out win last last time? No. Do I think that Romney won this round? Yes, but it wasn't a landslide. Obama wasn't as bad as the last Debate, but I don't agree at all with the press right now claiming he won this. Far from it. What were they watching?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 16, 2012, 10:35:18 pm
So there's another Debate coming? I thought tonight was the last one.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 17, 2012, 08:10:39 am
Nightline from ABC News : Obama vs. Romney: The Second Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJ4icKhNCE
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 17, 2012, 08:16:47 am
Nightline from ABC News : Obama, Romney: Analyze This

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3LUVD_rYnk
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 17, 2012, 02:51:54 pm
Meh, really. Psychoanalyzing some one you never met. Dinesh D'souza did it with 2016 recent flick. How does one put credence into that perspective?

For me, it's easier. They are politicians and say s hit.

Just stop talking.

Show me
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 18, 2012, 10:07:27 pm
Mitt Romney's Al Smith dinner Charity Event Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBelIMrKll8

Some pretty good Zingers from Mitt at the expense of Obama.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 18, 2012, 10:17:39 pm
Barack Obama's Al Smith dinner Charity Event Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6g2YkTAYQ4

Not quite as good as Mitt's, but there were a couple of good jokes.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 21, 2012, 10:24:18 am
really belongs in in comedy... but phuck it.

Obama's Debate Notes...

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 21, 2012, 12:13:32 pm
Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 21, 2012, 02:39:19 pm
The "Jim Do Something" made me bust out laughing.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 22, 2012, 05:34:13 pm
Third and final debate 30 minutes away.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 22, 2012, 08:06:46 pm
I give Mitt Romney the slight edge over Obama in the debate. There were a couple of instances where he looked intimated by Mitt. This was definitely more civil than the last debate for sure.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 02, 2012, 02:46:12 pm
Abby Is Sick of 'Bronco' Bama and Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufkCzmR7PQ

Bronco = Jackass

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 06, 2012, 06:34:49 am
It's Election Day!! Be sure to get out there and vote!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 06, 2012, 03:56:23 pm
I did, I did. Polling place wasn't bad at all this afternoon. Piece of cake.
I wonder if my write in for Joe Walsh will even register as a blip
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 06, 2012, 03:59:14 pm
If he got a vote today, you could say 'Life's Been Good' for him, eh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 06, 2012, 04:35:15 pm
Bob Hope, Zombies and Democrats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fv5I2rmtuU
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 06, 2012, 04:44:27 pm
With the Polls now closed on the East Coast, Romney leads 33 to Obama's 3.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 06, 2012, 08:19:36 pm
Ugh. I'm so disappointed in the American people. Why are they rewarding Obama with another 4 years? From where I come from, when you can't get the job done the first time around, you usually get fired. Even Joe Walsh should have finished ahead of Obama.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 09, 2012, 09:24:05 am
To Do List of President Obama.

8:00 A.M.: Wake up . . . still president. Holy crap, America's stupid! Hit snooze button.

8:09 A.M.: Wake up . . . from horrible dream that Joe Biden is still vice president….Wait, WHAT?!

8:50 A.M.: String my Kenyan birth certificate to the top of the White House flagpole. Ha ha! Whatcha gonna do 'bout it now, suckers?

9:00 A.M.: Call Labor Department and tell them they can quit fudging employment reports.

9:15 A.M.: Write thank-you notes to sanctimonious Hollywood celebrities for FINALLY taking the opportunity to tell America how to think.

10:00 A.M.: Look at the $16 trillion ...

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 09, 2012, 10:42:18 am
What's depressing is that 'To Do List' is legit.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 09, 2012, 01:21:54 pm
Petraeus Steps Down as C.I.A. Chief, Saying He Had Affair (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/citing-affair-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director.html)


If anyone thinks that Obama and his administration didn't know about the affair or that they didn't purposely squashed the news until after the Election so as not to jeopardize a 2nd term for The Prez is an idiot. Geeze. A Politician who isn't honest with the people. That's something you don't hear much about. Shameful.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 09, 2012, 01:25:47 pm
David Petraeus Resigns from CIA Over Affair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF9u6SuKKE8
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 25, 2012, 10:33:18 am
WTF - Are  you kdding me?

Illinois may give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants

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Illinois may soon become the most populous U.S. state to grant a form of driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, after the nation's growing Hispanic population boosted the power of Democrats in national and state elections on November 6.

A bipartisan group of Illinois politicians announced on Tuesday they would propose such a law when the legislature convenes on November 27.

Washington state and New Mexico are the only states that currently allow illegal immigrants to get licenses. Utah allows driving permits. As the fifth most populous state, Illinois would be the biggest state to adopt such a law.

A California law that allows immigrants with federal work permits to receive driver's licenses will take effect January 1, 2013.
Supporters said the law would be good for public safety, allowing Illinois immigrant motorists to get tested on their driving skills and buy insurance.
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"When you have a quarter of a million undocumented drivers on the road, it's definitely a safety concern," said Ron Holmes, spokesman for Illinois Senate President John Cullerton, who is backing the measure along with fellow Democrats Illinois Governor Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

More... (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15333584-illinois-may-give-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants?lite)

I'm more liberal than conservative, but this just sounds ridiculous. This should be addressed more like I've been saying. America needs to get tougher. We are such wimps and do nothing or worse... aid illegal immigrants. WTF is wrong with politicians?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 25, 2012, 10:53:11 am
We are such wimps and do nothing or worse... aid illegal immigrants.

Yup. Pretty pathetic. America seems to have lost its balls.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 07, 2012, 07:53:01 pm
Stephen Colbert for Senate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKRx3qrELH0

Even though Colbert was making light of this on Thursday night on The Colbert Report, I think there is a very real possibility this actually comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 03, 2013, 09:18:16 am
Enraged Chris Christie blasts Boehner, House GOP over Sandy aid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_82LoRqokc

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WASHINGTON – Enraged over Congress' failure to approve disaster relief for victims of Superstorm Sandy, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey unloaded Wednesday on House Speaker John A. Boehner and Republican lawmakers in Washington for putting "palace intrigue" ahead of their official responsibilities.

Washington politicians "will say whatever they have to say to get through the day," Christie said, adding that, as a governor, he had "actual responsibilities" -- "unlike people in Congress."

Christie, a potential 2016 GOP presidential contender, reserved his most blistering words for the Republican House speaker.  He described Boehner, variously, as selfish, duplicitous and gutless for reversing course at the last minute on Tuesday night and refusing to allow a vote on a $60-billion aid package before the current Congress adjourned.

Christie said that as a result of "the speaker’s irresponsible action," there will be further delay in federal disaster aid to New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and other areas hit by the October storm. He pointed out that it had been 66 days since the storm hit and that areas struck by other hurricanes in recent years had received relief packages in far less time.

However, as outrage continued to pour in from elected officials in the affected area, Boehner agreed to hold a vote Friday to direct needed resources to the National Flood Insurance Program. And on Jan. 15, the first full legislative day of the 113th Congress, the House will consider the remaining supplemental request for the victims of Hurricane Sandy.

But that came after Christie dished out his cold outrage on members of his own party.

"Shame on you. Shame on Congress," Christie said at a news conference in Trenton, the state capital. "It's absolutely disgraceful, and I have to tell you, this used to be something that was not political. Disaster relief was something you didn't play games with." But "in this current atmosphere, [it's] a potential piece of bait for the political game.  It is why the American people hate Congress."

At another point, he said of Republicans in Congress: "We've got people down there who use the citizens of this country like pawns on a chessboard."

"My party was responsible for this," Christie said, charging "one set of Republicans was trying to prove something to another set," and that Boehner was trying to "prove something. I hope he accomplished it."

Christie, whose disaster-relief-themed efforts to reach across partisan lines to President Obama in the days leading up to the election angered many Republicans, said he did not think that was a factor in Boehner's decision.

But the governor, who delivered the keynote address at last summer's Republican National Convention and has helped raise money in recent years for fellow members of the party, did not rule out retaliating against his enemies in Washington.

"We'll see. Primaries are an ugly thing," he said.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 03, 2013, 09:25:17 am
“Demand Celebrities Go F--- Themselves” splices scenes of stars performing violent acts in TV shows and movies with footage of them calling for gun law reform.

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A new video is turning Hollywood’s “Demand a Plan” gun law PSA on its head. The original video was released in the wake of the Dec. 14 mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., and featured dozens of celebrities demanding elected officials do something to fight gun violence.

But “Demand a Plan – Demand Celebrities Go F--- Themselves” inter-cuts footage of these same stars brandishing guns in their film and TV roles with them calling for curbs in violence in real life.

“These self-serving whores of the 1 percent love guns and violence as long as they can line their pockets,” writes the video's creator on YouTube. “Hey these hypocritical assholes ‘probably’ voted for and support Obama...how many kids has he killed with his toy drones and foreign policy? When you elect leaders that commit mass murder, don't be surprised when the citizens follow suit.”

The video had been viewed more than 575,000 times since being uploaded Christmas Day.

Stars depicted performing violent acts include Jamie Foxx, Jeremy Renner, Cameron Diaz, Will Ferrell and Chris Rock. A hunting episode of NBC’s Parks and Recreation provided plenty of fodder for footage of Amy Poehler, Aziz Ansari and Rashida Jones with hunting rifles.

The original “Demand a Plan” video has been viewed more than 6 million times.

Watch the “Demand Celebrities” video below but be warned it contains scenes of film and TV violence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 03, 2013, 01:49:20 pm
It's a little known fact that when an actor receives their SAG cards that they have to sign a Hypocracy Waiver in exchange for a lifetime membership.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 05, 2013, 07:15:44 am
Not is only a slow day in news and politics, but a sly one as well.

First, WTF as far as newsworthy? What am I missing here.
Acting CIA director shoots down 'Zero Dark Thirty' accuracy

Must be a slow day, because who gives a f uck? When does the CIA director have time to give any thought to a Hollywood movie and it's Impact? Uh, I think you have more important s hit to do.

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Acting CIA Director Michael Morell is getting in on the "Zero Dark Thirty" controversy.  In the wake of criticism the film has faced in regards to the veracity of its content, Morell sent a letter to CIA personnel about the thriller-flick's accuracy, and then made it public.

"What I want you to know is that 'Zero Dark Thirty' is a dramatization, not a realistic portrayal of the facts," Morell said in the letter posted on the CIA's website Friday. "CIA interacted with the filmmakers through our Office of Public Affairs but, as is true with any entertainment project with which we interact, we do not control the final product."

More... (http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/22/16097311-acting-cia-director-shoots-down-zero-dark-thirty-accuracy?lite)

and now something a little more important

Boehner re-elected as Speaker of the House

WTF... seriously. Holy s hit Batman...

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Ohio Rep. John Boehner, R, won a second term as speaker of the House on Thursday over the dissent of a handful of House conservatives.

Following a bruising first two years as speaker and leader of House Republicans, 10 conservative lawmakers cast votes for someone other than Boehner during a roll call vote in the first hours of the new Congress. Several other conservative Republicans abstained from voting. Boehner received 220 votes of a total of 426 cast.

More... (http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/03/16327125-boehner-re-elected-as-speaker-of-the-house-after-some-gop-dissent?lite)

and isn't this just wonderful to know. Our congressmen continue their crap. NASCAR? Asparagus? Movies?

FOCUS PEOPLE... FOCUS!!!!

Fiscal cliff deal includes at least $67.9 billion for special interests

Did you read that... 67.9 BILLION

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Taxpayers aren't the only ones who won't be flying off the fiscal cliff — this year, at least. Add race cars, movies and asparagus to the list.

As part of their last-second deal to slam the brakes on an economy racing toward the so-called fiscal cliff, lawmakers gave the green light this week to extending dozens of business and industry tax breaks, like a cost-recovery program that will save the owners of "motorsports entertainment complexes" (that is, racetracks) about $70 million over the next two years.

More... (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/04/16334798-fiscal-cliff-deal-includes-at-least-679-billion-for-special-interests?lite)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 12, 2013, 09:22:21 am
The White House has officially responded to the ‘We the People’ petition to commit the US to building a Death Star

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/deathstar_response.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 12, 2013, 12:15:11 pm
I forked over 5 bucks for this, so I got dibs on the Tractor Beam, b*tches!!! (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/darth.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 13, 2013, 08:03:03 am
White House Formally Turns Down Death Star Construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5NxnM3LAQw

I want my $5 back!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: coolguy44 on January 13, 2013, 01:26:26 pm
Chiprocks1 did you really start a topic about Politics?!?!??!  ;D :o
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 14, 2013, 03:37:37 pm
Chiprocks1 did you really start a topic about Politics?!?!??!  ;D :o

Yeah, because no one would ever post in a thread called HTL.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: coolguy44 on January 15, 2013, 01:05:03 pm
oh true good point!  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 19, 2013, 08:25:48 pm
Brazen Assassination Attack on Politician Caught on Tape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqRZ-_zRFsU

Talk about appearing out of nowhere! How did he even get that close to him without anyone seeing what was happening? Security fail!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 20, 2013, 05:19:25 am
Did the gun fail?

Or just an idiot in every way
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2013, 06:05:37 am
From the video it looked like it jammed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: coolguy44 on January 21, 2013, 01:28:35 pm
???
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 26, 2013, 07:23:32 am
While I don't want to believe conservative (or liberal) news channels are political, I think they have evolved into them. I'm not trying to talk out of two sides of my mouth... it just disheartening to see news evolve into this.

I'm in the middle, a libertarian if you must. I find conservative discussion, especially with the big players not only eye rolling, but disgusting. With the climate of politics in the last 4 years, it's only pegged the Holy-Crap-O-Meter. And this recent posting I found insightful...

Are Conservatives Rethinking The Fox News Outrage Model?


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Responding to President Barack Obama's inauguration address this week, Joel Pollak, an editor at Breitbart.com, wrote about the president's allegedly dastardly attack on the Supreme Court that unfolded during his address to the nation on Monday.

Pollak excitedly claimed that by mentioning his support for gay marriage in his inauguration speech, Obama was trying to bully Supreme Court Justices who were in attendance that day. By stating publically his belief, Obama was attempting to intimidate (to "attack") the judicial branch of the government because the Supreme Court has before it a pending case about gay marriage and the president's comment meant he was instructing the Court on how it "ought to rule."

Alongside Pollak at the Breitbart site, Ben Shapiro, typing excitedly, wrote that Obama, via his address, had "attempted nothing less than an assault on the timeless notion of liberty itself." (That sounds bad.) Shapiro separately attacked Obama for the "brutal name calling" he used in his inauguration speech, even though Shapiro couldn't locate any insults hurled by the president in his address.

Shapiro and Pollak were just two predictable voices within the right-wing media, marshaled as always by Fox News, who freaked out over Obama's inauguration addresses. Going into Monday, readers, viewers and listeners weren't sure exactly what conservative voices were going to be outraged about, but it was foregone conclusion, since the day featured Obama, that they'd find something trivial to Get Very Upset About. (Answer: He was too partisan!)

Being outraged, and especially being outraged about made-up claims, like Obama's imaginary "name-calling" on Monday, has become a signature of the far right movement over the last four years. It's also blossomed into Fox News' entire business model. Fox News makes a pile of profits each year overreacting to imagined Obama slights. 

The question is, has the Fox model of the phony Outrage Machine damaged the conservative movement? Is it standing in the way of Republican progress and electoral success?

Writing at his site RedState this week, conservative CNN commentator Erick Erickson beseeched fellow partisans to drop the outrage shtick and to move into more substantial areas of debate. "Conservatives, frankly, have become purveyors of outrage instead of preachers for a cause," he wrote. "Who the hell wants to listen to conservatives whining and moaning all the time about the outrage du jour?"

Erickson's point is dead on. The amount of time and energy conservatives devote to utterly trivial bouts of phony outrage now seem to consume the movement, or at least the media portion of it. But it's unlikely Fox News and its legion of copycat whiners in the press will heed Erickson's wise advice. They're too busy super-serving a radical niche and making money off the faux Outrage Machine.

It's impossible to catalog every phony freakout that's been staged during Obama's time in office. It's hard to even keep track of the ones that have been hatched over the last week or so. The laundry list is annoyingly long.

Remember how Fox contributor Michelle Malkin led the hysterical cries of exploitation when Obama invited children who had written him about gun violence to attend a public White House event about gun violence? In Malkin's eyes, only monsters incorporate kids in politics. (By the way, here's Malkin's column this week where she incorporates kids into politics.)

And then there's been the obsessive whining about how supposedly mean and nasty Obama is, a hollow cry that's proven to be a right-wing evergreen. The Wall Street Journal editorial page complained how "Obama demonizes anyone who disagrees with him," while columnist Peggy Noonan whined that Obama pushes "partisan rancor." (That is, when Noonan wasn't mocking Obama as the "Irritating Older Brother Who Got 750 On His SATs And Thinks He's Einstein.")  On CBS This Morning, Newt Gingrich bellyached about how the president's "bullying" House Republicans, Karl Rove warned darkly about the "unremitting war" Obama will soon launch on his foes, and Sean Hannity warned states might start seceding from the union.

As for Obama's hopeful inauguration address, Media Research Center's Brent Bozell went on Fox and compared it to the Civil War, claiming it was designed to rip the nation apart. Online, the address was angrily denounced as Orwellian "dreck."

Most of the overwrought claims stem from the fact that Obama disagrees with Republicans and has said so publicly. The hysterical cry of partisan bullying just represents phony outrage being ginned up for feel-good attention among Obama critics. 

Of course, it was Rush Limbaugh who built a radio empire by mastering the we're-all-under-siege-by-liberals shtick that conservatives love to wallow in. But whereas Limbaugh's plaintive, defenseless wail of the oppressed once represented one note in the right-wing media chorus, in recent years as it's been adopted ad nauseaum online, on the AM dial and on Fox News, it's to the point where that whiny, abrasive howl has become the only note in the conservative chorus.

The utter sameness of the fake outrage programming (i.e. We can't believe Obama did/said that) now defines most of the conservative media message in America. Concocting things to be outraged about and oppressed by (Hitler!) is no longer a by-product of the conservative press, it's become the entire purpose of the conservative press.

But it's exhausting. And it doesn't work. (Note the Republican Party's 26 percent approval rating.) That, plus the fact that the perpetual outrage approach is now entering its second four-year cycle with Obama. If politically, the tactic didn't work the first time, why is it being adopted again and reprised for the second term?

The bad news for Erickson is not only is the conservative movement purposefully trapped inside the phony Outrage Machine, but the machine's stuck on a replay loop.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 31, 2013, 05:35:32 am
Republican Against Voter Fraud Arrested for Voter Fraud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaAfOHayFEk

And the hits keep on coming. More stupid people. People in America should stop worrying about reclaiming the title of most feared 'Super Power' and start worrying about looking pretty foolish in the "Education" department.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 pm
Voter fraud? People, pick your battles. I don't think many people think this is an issue, but apparently to some key, uh, unique politicians they find an issue... to what? Do something while they are office? 15 minutes of fame. Look important?

Gawd... ship all these stupid people off to armpit of earth.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2013, 09:30:30 pm
Dennis Rodman Meets North Korea's Kim Jung Un

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLdefaQ0Yd8

Rodman is EXACTLY who we need representing America.

NOT!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 28, 2013, 04:52:59 am
This is more about social change, but we find it mostly centered around politics. If this becomes popular we may see these terms like Anti-Intellectualism become more used.

Radio host Papantonio: Anti-intellectualism ‘has become almost epidemic in America’

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Progressive radio host Mike Papantonio sang the praises of author Susan Jacoby on his radio show on Friday, echoing the theme of her 2008 book The Age of American Unreason in saying, “Anti-intellectualism and anti-rationalism have become almost epidemic in America,” and saying the only hesitation one should have in reading the book is how scary her findings are.

“Chances are, if you are one of those corporate media-following bone heads who still believe that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq, or Saddam Hussein blew up the Twin Towers, or Obama is a secret Muslim, or Obama wants to take your guns, or Obama has FEMA prison camps set up for Teabag Republicans, then search no further,” said Papantonio, who is also president of the National Trial Lawyer Association. “You truly are the undereducated, child-like, impressionable, irrational, dangerous cog in America’s political system that puts Democracy most at risk.”

In her book, Papantonio explained, Jacobs found that more than 40 percent of Americans under the age of 44 did not read a single book over the course of the previous year. And their concentration had deteriorated to the point that politicians needed to condense their messages into 8-second soundbytes to grab their attention, leading her to conclude that the country was now “ill with a powerful mutant strain of intertwined ignorance, anti-rationalism and anti-intellectualism,” compounded by schools’ increased emphasis on passing standardized tests instead of comprehensive education on subjects like civics and humanities.

“If the Susan Jacobys are right and anti-intellectualism is a trend in America, then spoon-feeding our children with facts and figures designed merely to pass a standardized test will never prepare them to preserve democracy,” Papantonio said. “The truth is when we firmly grasp timeless themes that can be found in novels like The Grapes of Wrath, Elmer Gantry or 1984, we are on our way to better protecting democracy against the Mitch McConnels, the Rush Limbaughs, the Rand Pauls, Peter Kings, Louie Gohmerts, the Bill O’Reillys and Glenn Becks who infect the process of intelligent conservative rational thinking.”

Watch Papantonio’s defense of Jacoby’s work, posted online on Friday by Go Left TV, below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwV3kuKG4Nw
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 28, 2013, 05:32:46 am
Have you read the book? This sounds interesting. I just added this to my Book Hold. Thanks, Mac.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 28, 2013, 05:43:56 am
No I haven't, but would like to find the time.

I listen to our local radio talk show host is 90% funny. But his show is on a very conservative political radio station. He's like the black sheep of the station, but he is by and far more popular than any of the other shows on it. So he occasionally gets into politics, but he's very open minded, unlike all the other hosts.

I should sent this to him, and see if he talks about it all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 23, 2013, 10:08:31 pm
Mayor Banned from Being Near Women After Bizarre Headlock Sex Scandal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDFlN1-7Uds

Never in a million years did I think this would go National. FYI, he is a douche, and that was before the scandal broke.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 24, 2013, 03:36:30 am
Sickening.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 24, 2013, 09:26:27 am
Anthony Weiner Admits to Sexting Scandal ... Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoQ3Op690Y

Oh brother. Really? Again? Shocking! Not.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 24, 2013, 09:32:26 am
What's shocking is he's running for mayor and people consider him the favorite.  :'(
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 26, 2013, 03:17:26 pm
'Outlaw Blowjobs' Candidate Gets Trolled HARD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzvWEh4IiU

Ken Cuccinelli is a 'f*ckface'. Pun intended.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 26, 2013, 08:27:13 pm
That was a great report.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 30, 2013, 09:45:18 am
I'm not really laughing. I'm crying.

San Diego Mayor Bob Filner Asks City to Pay for Legal Fees

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San Diego Mayor Bob Filner has asked the city to cover his legal fees for a sexual harassment lawsuit, according to an agenda released by the city council.

More... (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Mayor-Bob-Filner-Asks-City-to-Pay-for-Legal-Fees-217492761.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 30, 2013, 09:49:28 am
This guy is a dick and was one long before this scandal hit. I always managed to change the channel fast back then. But now he is everywhere. Seriously one of the most hideous looking faces ever and his dumbass, creepy looking smile. Ugh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 30, 2013, 09:33:46 pm
Filner Cartoon Craziness with Cartoonist Steve Breen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxLTgAQlZhs


Hahahaha. Love the 'Joker Filner' one. Nailed it!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 31, 2013, 09:36:56 am
What a creepy-ass phucker

I don't get the due process and that he has a chance to come back into office and stake claim to money

San Diego City Council Sues Mayor Bob Filner (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-City-Council-Sues-Mayor-Bob-Filner-217663251.html)

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The San Diego City Council has voted to sue Mayor Bob Filner to recover costs from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by the mayor's former communications director.

The city attorney's office says the council decided to ask a court to require Filner to pay all damages and attorney fees if he and the city are found liable.

Special Section: Mayor Under Fire

Filner asked the city to cover the cost of his attorney’s fees in a case where he has been accused of sexually harassing former employee Irene McCormack Jackson. The civil charges were brought by high-profile attorney Gloria Allred on behalf of Jackson.

If Filner is found liable, he may not only have to pay his own attorney's fees, but also financial retribution to Jackson – in addition to the city’s legal fees.

Filner has been accused of sexually harassing multiple women, and seven alleged victims have publicly come forward saying he acted inappropriately toward them. He has since publically apologized and said he will enter a two-week intensive therapy program to address his behavior.

The mayor has hired outside legal counsel for this case, after San Diego City Attorney Jan Goldsmith said his office would not represent Filner.

“The City of San Diego has sued the Mayor with unanimous City Council approval,” said City Attorney Jan Goldsmith in a statement. “This is part of due process. If Bob Filner engaged in unlawful conduct and the City is held liable, he will have to reimburse us every penny the city pays and its attorney fees.”

Neither the mayor's office nor his private attorney has responded to request for comment to NBC 7 San Diego. His new chief of staff Lee Burdick, a lawyer in her own right, is claiming attorney-client privilege in refusing subpoeanas in the case.

The city attorney's office says she's practicing law in violation of the city charter.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 31, 2013, 10:26:26 am
He's already been denied by both the San Diego Court and of course 100's of women.

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 01, 2013, 02:39:53 pm
Real Life Badass: 14 Year Old Pro-Choice Activist Demolishes Haters

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14-year old Austinite Tuesday Cain took to the streets with thousands of others to protest Texas' impending legislation that would drastically impact a woman's right to choose in that state and that would close most abortion clinics. She came up with a sign concept that was intended to be provocative and get attention, and it worked. Her message?

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Jesus isn't a dick, so keep him out of my v agina.

 Brilliant. Besides being eye-catchingly clever, it's a nice way of reminding the anti-abortion types that a lot of their behavior wouldn't sit well with their Lord and Savior. Once again, the Christians were being the least Christian people.

When a picture of the sign went viral, the haters came out in a big way on the internet. One of the most popular epithets thrown at this 14-year old girl was '****,' a grotesque word to fling at a child. Today Tuesday gave up her anonymity to write a message to her haters on xojane.com, and I think it's a wonderful piece. This teen has more class and smarts than almost any of the adults who have been flaming her.

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Normally, I prefer to look up to adults as role models. But what is happening in Texas right now it's hard to find adults who I want to look up to.

    I don't look up to an adult who is taking away a woman's right to choose.

    I don't look up to an adult who is calling a 14-year-old girl a w hore.

    I don't look up to an adult who is screaming in my face and saying I am ugly.

    And I certainly don't look up to anyone who says they are Christian but treats women the way I've been treated these past few days as a teenage girl.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 13, 2013, 11:02:58 pm
"Mayor" Filner banned from all Hooters restaurants. Hahahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 15, 2013, 09:00:14 am
Subject: A Lesson in Irony
The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever, to 46 million people.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us, "Please do not feed the animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because, "The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."
             
Thus ends today's lesson in irony.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 15, 2013, 09:01:51 am
ZING!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 01, 2013, 09:37:27 am
Government closes

WTF

Chris Christie's view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DiXE9Rs_k#t=43
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 02, 2013, 10:20:09 am
Government closes


When was it ever opened?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 21, 2013, 01:35:47 pm
Significant Election Rule Change Coming in 2016?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLaxg2qXlWw

This really isn't news. As soon as Arnie was elected Governor way back when, he has been publicly trying to get the Constitution changed to allow him to run for President. I thought that once his term ran his course and he was done as Governor and back to making movies, I thought his desire to run for Office was also done. Guess not. The only way I would even consider voting for Arnie would be if his platform promised to shoot T5 in the real White House itself. No replicas. ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 15, 2014, 09:56:34 am
This probably might be as good under Comedy or Music, but fits well under Politics as a reminder...

Bruce Springsteen & Jimmy Fallon: "Gov. Christie Traffic Jam"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHV0LLvhXM#t
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 29, 2014, 09:47:06 pm
Congressman Michael Grimm Threatens Reporter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it7yV1iUVrw

Busted.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 05, 2014, 01:56:43 pm
Clay Aiken: There is dysfunction in Washington

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQ5kRewt2s

What the f*ck! Could have just as well as put it in that thread too! Kelly Clarkson for President!  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 17, 2014, 08:47:13 am
Idaho GOP Debate Gets CRAZY!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NILTZWb0kYo&index=26&list=PLp2e7UfInEgmB-5r4rtQOEsq-H-mNmQhk

This debate is awesome! I agree with Ana and everyone else on the panel, that this is refreshing to see....in spite of it being a train wreck to watch.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 16, 2014, 04:12:57 pm
TRIPLE AMPUTEE VETERAN’S “F#*K YOU” LETTER TO OBAMA GOES VIRAL! (http://joeforamerica.com/2014/05/triple-amputee-veterans-fk-letter-obama-goes-viral/)

Daaayum!

I'm sure Obama will still sleep well tonight as he always does.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 12, 2014, 07:20:16 am
I don’t know if you heard but Sarah Palin has her own online subscription channel @ $9.98 a month. Yes… more than Netflix.

Anyway, a recent piece she recorded for the show is now available. A Rant that just flops around like a fish on a sidewalk, not making any sense. Is she having an aneurism?

Sarah Palin’s rant on liberals, fast food and hell makes no sense

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In a monologue reminiscent of Miss South Carolina’s verbal diarrhea during the 2007 Miss Teen USA competition, Sarah Palin has issued a nonsensical rant on liberals, fast food, Elizabeth Warren and hell.

Palin recorded the bizarre segment for her new online subscription channel, so presumably she knew that she was talking in front of a camera, to communicate with other human beings. Here are the remarks she made in response to a recent speech by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren:

    “We believe”? Wait, I thought fast food joints…huh. Don’t you guys think that they’re like of the Devil or somethin’ I was. Liberals, you want to send those evil employees who would dare work at a fast food joint then ya just don’t believe in, thought you wanted to, I dunno, send them to Purgatory or somethin’ so they all go VEGAN and, uh, wages and picket lines I dunno they’re not often discussed in Purgatory, are they? I dunno why are you even worried about fast food wages because…Well, we believe an America where minimum wage jobs they’re not lifetime gigs they’re stepping stone.”

Real, unfiltered talk from Sarah Palin, for only $9.95 a month. Subscribe today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ogJjmgpLM
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 12, 2014, 09:46:11 am
Stephen Colbert looks at the Sarah Palin Channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPcJgiYqWGY

Heard about it last week, courtesy of Stephen Colbert and he was f*cking awesome in cutting her down to size and spot-on too!!!!!!! Here's the segment. Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 12, 2014, 11:22:18 am
I did enjoy that. I guess there are people out there taking her seriously? How is she not a living joke to every human on earth?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 12, 2014, 12:17:04 pm
She was made a joke the moment Tina Fey impersonated her. But Palin has her head so far up her own ass, that even SHE doesn't realize that Fey's impersonation was mocking her. How deluded can a person be? Apparently a lot of people that follow her have the same IQ as her.....not much.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 12, 2014, 12:41:05 pm
I bet it would be a very scary thing to see the numbers who do approve and follow her.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 02, 2015, 08:40:11 am
Yeon-Mi Park Stands Up To Kim Jong-Un

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZEmDpkz0g4


I didn't know where to post this, but decided that since this is about the North Korean regime and political in nature that it was appropriate to go here. What a fascinating and harrowing journey for Yeon-Mi Park. Bit of warning, you will get misty-eyed watching this. Her story isn't original and that's the sad thing. It seems like everyone that lives in North Korea has to make a life-changing decision like this if they want to actually have a life worth living. What's even sadder is that not everyone is fortunate like Yeon to break free from the regime. This is a must-watch. And before you point it out, yes, I did think that the piece had a bit of propaganda to it, intentional or not. But I think the heart of the story is there and should be shared.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 02, 2015, 10:07:26 am
It's really hard to wrap your mind around that people like her, and worse, go through that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 02, 2015, 10:12:06 am
Oh God It's Mom

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Two brothers named Brad and Dallas Woodhouse were on C-SPAN yesterday, promoting a documentary about how their political differences have affected their family life.  One of them is liberal, and the other's conservative.

And in the middle of their segment . . . their mom called in to YELL at them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15xhG6pVUw
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 02, 2015, 10:15:21 am
Oh God It's Mom


Yeah, I caught this a couple of weeks back and thought it was very funny. The look on their faces was priceless.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 02, 2015, 02:26:27 pm
Same here. I was going through some old email and forgot I emailed this to myself.

I was debating putting this in the douche thread... for the two douches'
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 20, 2015, 10:27:12 am
Again, another nimrod, saying sh*t about others yet not looking at themselves when they say it.

What a douche

Is Huckabee happy about Stewart's Beyoncé slam?

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Washington — On Monday night’s “Daily Show,” Jon Stewart charged that guest Mike Huckabee is a hypocrite because the former Arkansas governor objects to Beyoncé as “crude” but happily appears onstage with vulgar shock rocker Ted Nugent.

“You excuse that type of crudeness because you agree with [Mr. Nugent’s] stand on firearms. You don’t approve of Beyoncé because she seems alien to you,” Mr. Stewart said in a face-to-face challenge to the likely 2016 GOP presidential contender.

Mr. Huckabee’s problems with Beyoncé are well known. In his new book, he charges that Beyoncé’s spouse, rapper Jay Z, is “arguably crossing the line from husband to pimp” in the way he promotes the singer’s career. Huckabee has called Beyoncé’s sexually charged lyrics “mental poison” and criticized President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama for allowing their daughters to listen to Beyoncé's music.
Recommended: 17 Republicans who might run in 2016

On "The Daily Show,” Huckabee elaborated on his belief that the singer is not a fit role model for young girls.

“Do you know any parent who has a daughter that says, ‘Honey, if you make really good grades, someday when you are 12 or 13 we’ll get you your own stripper pole. I mean come on, Jon, we don’t do that in our culture,” said Huckabee.

Then Stewart dragged out his riposte. It was a clip of Huck himself playing electric bass on his old Fox News show with Nugent, playing the song “Cat Scratch Fever.” Nugent sang some lyrics we won’t repeat here because they put the “double” in “double-entendre.”

Huckabee’s response? He said that Nugent’s song had not been nominated for a Grammy in the year it was released. We guess the point there is that Beyoncé is way more popular and lionized, so her transgressions are worse? Also, Nugent’s song is “an adult song geared for adults, but today we have a very different kind of depiction and things that are considered perfectly OK for kids, and that’s the difference,” Huckabee said.

More... (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Buzz/2015/0120/Is-Huckabee-happy-about-Stewart-s-Beyonce-slam)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 24, 2015, 01:50:38 pm
Jon Stewart Calls Out Mike Huckabee... To His Face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEF4u0gA3YA
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 11, 2015, 09:21:21 am
Wow, just wow. This f*cker should be fired NOW!!!.

Montana GOP Legislator Rep. David Moore Wants to Ban Yoga Pants

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Montana Republican state Rep. David Moore has a plan to guide America out of the darkness—ban yoga pants.

Moore, who is upset that group of naked bicyclists pedaled through Missoula last year, decided that what his state really needs right now is tighter regulations on trousers. His proposed bill, HB 365, would outlaw not just nudity, but also "any device, costume, or covering that gives the appearance of or simulates the genitals, pubic hair, anus region, or pubic hair region." Per the Billings Gazette:

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    The Republican from Missoula said tight-fitting beige clothing could be considered indecent exposure under his proposal.

    "Yoga pants should be illegal in public anyway," Moore said after the hearing.

    Moore said he wouldn’t have a problem with people being arrested for wearing provocative clothing but that he'd trust law enforcement officials to use their discretion. He couldn’t be sure whether police would act on that provision or if Montana residents would challenge it.

    "I don't have a crystal ball," Moore said.

Merlin's pants! According to the Great Falls Tribune, Moore elaborated that he also believes Speedos should be illegal.

HB 365 continues a miraculous stretch for the Montana legislature. Just last December the Republican-controlled legislature issued new dress-code guidelines for the state capitol, advising women that they should "should be sensitive to skirt lengths and necklines."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 16, 2015, 07:21:06 pm
I've been following this topic for a few days and totally disagree with passing the bill. It's stupid. It says more about him than anything else. Some have gone as far as to speculate that the only reason why he is pushing this agenda is because he doesn't trust himself to stay faithful and wants to cut out what is temptation to him.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 18, 2015, 09:26:19 am
What *not* to do if you’re a member of Congress

So, you wanna keep your seat in Congress?

Take a lesson from Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.), who resigned in the midst of allegations he misused campaign and public funds: Here’s what not to do.

The Washington Post's Ben Terris explains a few things lawmakers might want to avoid if they want to keep in the clear. Check it out here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/politics/are-you-a-member-of-congress-dont-do-these-things/2015/03/17/90d1f894-ccf3-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_video.html).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 06, 2015, 12:57:52 pm
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Government Surveillance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M&list=PLp2e7UfInEgmB-5r4rtQOEsq-H-mNmQhk&index=45

One of the best interviews I've seen in quite some time. You definitely want to check this out and of course stick around for the interview with Edward Snowden. If you are a fan of Stephen Colbert, you can clearly see John Oliver channeling his inner-Colbert during the interview with the heavy dose of sarcasm. Oliver is f*cking awesome as always and he's got balls to stick to what he does rather than doing a by-the-numbers interview. I'm stunned that Snowden didn't walk out at any time during said interview. But then again, he was probably happy that this wasn't something much much different from what he has been doing for the past 2 years.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 26, 2015, 09:19:02 am
I'm convinced Donald Trump is totally disillusional and believes his run for presidency. So the idea politicians live in another reality becomes very clear with trump.

With the recent news he is going to sue a company, to me, says you don't have time to be a president.

Trump plans to sue Univision for defamation after exec compares him to Charleston shooter (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/entertainment/2015/06/26/trump-plans-to-sue-univision-for-defamation-after-exec-compare-him-to/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 01, 2015, 09:29:22 am
I knew this would not last long. America is a very different place today than say 5-10 years ago. We don't have patience to wade through his idiotic thinking. There is no freakin way a man like Trump can run a country.

Macy's dumps Donald Trump

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(CNN)Macy's is pulling Donald Trump brand merchandise from its stores after the Republican presidential candidate's recent controversial remarks created a public uproar.

The department store has come under intense pressure to cut ties with the real estate magnate and businessman after he referred to immigrants from Mexico and other countries "killers and rapists."

In a statement Wednesday morning, Macy's said the company "stands for diversity" and that it had no tolerance for discrimination.

"We are disappointed and distressed by recent remarks about immigrants from Mexico. We do not believe the disparaging characterizations portray an accurate picture of the many Mexicans, Mexican Americans and Latinos who have made so many valuable contributions to the success of our nation," Macy's said. "In light of statements made by Donald Trump, which are inconsistent with Macy's values, we have decided to discontinue our business relationship with Mr. Trump and will phase-out the Trump menswear collection, which has been sold at Macy's since 2004."

Macy's carries a variety of Donald Trump brand attire, including dress shirts, neckties and cuff links. Trump has also appeared in Macy's commercials.

A MoveOn.org petition calling on Macy's to sever its relationship with Trump had collected well over 700,000 signatures as of Wednesday morning.

"Donald Trump does not reflect 'the magic of Macy's,'" the petition reads. "Macy's says it has a strong obligation to be 'socially responsible' and that 'actions speak louder than words.' Indeed. It's time to act."

Angelo Carusone, who started the "Dump Trump" movement in 2012 to protest Trump's "birther" theories about President Barack Obama and launched the Macy's petition, lauded the department store for making the "right decision."

"The statement itself (from Macy's) basically confirms what we've been saying since day one: His brand, which is bigoted bullying, is inconsistent with Macy's brand," Carusone, the executive vice president of Media Matters, told CNN. "There's a line between being very opinionated and expressing yourself and communicating that and being reckless and destructive."

This is not the first fallout for Trump, who launched his White House bid in mid-June.

Last week, Univision announced that it would cancel its telecast of the Miss USA pageant, which is partially owned by Trump, and that it would cut all business ties with him.

NBCUniversal, which had jointly owned the Miss USA pageant and Miss Universe pageant with Trump, has also severed its relationship with the brash White House candidate. Trump was also the host of "Celebrity Apprentice," which airs on NBC, and will no longer be a part of the reality TV show.

Trump said in a statement that it was his decision to terminate his relationship with Macy's, and accused both the department store and NBC for supporting illegal immigration.

"Both Macy's and NBC totally caved at the first sight of potential difficulty with special interest groups who are nothing more than professional agitators, who are not looking out for the people they purport to represent, but only for themselves. It is people like this that are actually running our country because our leaders are weak and ineffective," Trump said.

He also said that if he were to start a new product line in the future, he would make sure that his ties and shirts are made in America.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 01, 2015, 01:47:51 pm
He will never get the votes to even run beyond his initial announcement. He will drop out after a couple of months.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 04, 2015, 08:51:40 pm
Hear Donald Trump's response to cell phone number reveal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ3hu4oMqaM

Love him or hate him, you have to give Trump his props in keeping things interesting and fun during the initial campaign run. The best thing Trump has done is not to sound like a pre-processed politician. They all sound alike because they all talk about the same sh*t. Very smart to respond in this manner with the outgoing voicemail.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 06, 2015, 09:08:12 pm
Just watched the first Republican Debate. It was fun and entertaining. I have no favorites. I'm just here to see who's going to rise and who's going to fall. Most people are saying that Trump did a huge disservice to his chances. Yes, not pledging as a Republican was a biggie and attacking Megan Kelly will be talked about tomorrow for sure. But I don't think he did as bad as they are making it out to be. He also didn't do anything to elevate himself. It's Rand Paul that imploded and I think he is done. I thought both Carson and Huckeebee were the most memorable with their jokes. Looking forward to see what the polls say tomorrow.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 07, 2015, 03:52:13 am
Pretty much agree with your comments.

Most came off as more human than the media otherwise portrays.

I didn't really understand the focus on abortion and God. I know they go hand in hand. But I certainly don't want to go through the next 18 months with that as prime discussion points.

They all need to seriously get talking with what concerns people TODAY.

One thing I hope Trump does, is keep being raw about hid thoughts and force everyone else, including Democrats, to have these necessary discussions. This safe talk and promises do absolutely nothing for me.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 07, 2015, 04:27:50 am
They focus on God and abortion to stir up people's emotions, because their policy platforms are ridiculous and doomed to fail (war with Iran which no one wants, more tax cuts for the wealthy which the poor pay for, trickle down economics which never works, trying to abolish Obamacare which they keep trying to do and can't).  They keep saying they want to outlaw abortion but whenever they're in power, they don't, because it's probably incredibly unlikely, and if they DID, they wouldn't be able to use that issue to charge their base.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 07, 2015, 09:00:20 am
Is it because the general public get sucked into these diversions so easily? I am sooooo tired of it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 17, 2015, 10:49:03 pm
The race for the White House is fun to watch. It's a circus and not just Trump. All the candidates have made this a campaign to watch. To top it off, throw in Hilary Clinton's email scandal and you have the makings of a movie in the works. Speaking of Mrs Liar, do you think she will be prosecuted at all? This is a legit question I'm asking because personally I don't see anything happening to her with the news coming out that the Feds have flagged over 300 emails that were Top Secret in some form or another. Adding to the story is that the company that she used to wiped her server clean may in fact have kept a backup of said server with ALL the emails intact. So, with the growing amount of evidence against her, I still don't think anything with happen to her. David Petraeus was charged for "far less" than what Clinton supposedly has done. Double standard runs rampant in Washington and she will skate with the blessing of Obama giving her a pardon. If it all plays out the way I think it will, you wonder why people in America are fed up with politicians giving each other happy endings and why they are looking at people like Trump. You wash my back, I'll wash yours.......

FYI, her Snapchat joke was stupid!! Seriously, has anyone ever come off as entitled than her as she told the joke?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 18, 2015, 12:11:51 am
I dunno... honestly, the issues re: the Hillary e-mail scandal are too complicated for regular people to wrap their heads around.  It's not going to trump all the issues everyone (EVERYONE) already has with her.  And if I recall, the Clintons were in a boring legal scandal when Bill was running, and it really didn't affect stuff (although I would argue Bill was far more electable than Hillary).

Actually, you remember the Whitewater trial?  The most interesting thing about that trial was the juror who wore her Star Trek uniform to court, the media went nuts over that because they knew that would get more of a reaction than anything happening in the court.  Trump is sort of like that, he's the sideshow that says stupid stuff which draws attention away from actual issues.

The Republican party was screwed for a while, it was the same unpopular guys who couldn't win the nomination last time trying to be the least objectionable option to people whose interests they don't look out for.  Hillary couldn't get nominated last time, so her running again sort of feels like that.  Who cares?  It's not like she was a breakout star, like Chris Pratt in early Parks and Rec, "you keep your eyes on that kid, they're gonna be something SPECIAL one day!"  No, it feels more like the kid waiting in line who's annoyed that there are other kids who cut the line and don't get in trouble.  Would you vote for that kid?  Would you even wanna TALK to that kid?

People have this real disconnect with politics and politicians right now, no confidence in the status quo, and ALL the major candidates are the status quo, it's business as usual.  Of course Trump is getting all this attention, he's a loudmouth *sshole disaster area, but he's got drive and energy.  He's actually a really great representative of the current Republican mindset: a deluded, self-centered, rich bully who insults everyone he doesn't agree with (and never apologizes), has no clue how the world actually works... I've read so many opinion pieces about why he's the perfect Republican because he's the personification of everything wrong with them.

I'm hearing about Biden recently but isn't it strange that he wasn't the default choice?  The VP usually is.  He's a real civil servant type so he might have been waiting for the go-ahead, but it gives me the impression that he really doesn't want it.

The only sensible option, I think, is Sanders.  He's got a consistent record, he's always been ahead of the curve on social issues, a HUGE majority of Americans have the same values, his crowds grow bigger and bigger every time he does an event... and unlike Hillary, he actually ANSWERS questions.  I don't know how Hillary gets a reputation as a liar when she never says what she stands for (she is all for the terrible TPP deal and in fact helped author it, but claims to be on the fence about it while Sanders as vehemently opposed it from the start).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 19, 2015, 10:56:27 am
I pretty much detest politics… at least the state of politics. I’m disgusted at the way politicians work (or don’t work) and consistently prove they are so far removed from the real world, it just becomes frustrating to anything political. I really am tired of road ahead. We are still 1+ years away from an election and have to bear witness to this political maneuvering all the candidates are focusing on.

That being said, I don’t have my head in the sand. But I’m not going to pay to close attention to current politics until later. My views on Trump has changed in a very short time. My knee jerk reaction is “WTF Trump?”. Today, it’s still “WTF Trump… but go girl”. He is crass and says what’s on his mind. The part of saying what you mean is important. It’s far better to hear that, than the doughy white guys and gals feeding us lines and promises on what they think we want to hear. AND!!! Say things that will get them elected. Trump is unfiltered but more importantly he is not being manipulated by his supporters… so I hope. It’s his money, so he says what he wants. Bottom line, I don't think he's presidential material. At the very least he will at least alter the norm of the political process.

What I get out of this is changing the dynamics of old tried and true BS politicians have been feeding us for decades. Now these guys have to work and really think and be fast about it. While Trump is an ass and bully, he is forcing the others hands. Some don’t take to well to that.

Presidential temperament: I’m on the fence about this one. In one sense I think America has really lost a lot of it’s appeal to the world because how we portray ourselves and how America reacts to situations. I just think we look really soft to a lot of leadership. On one hand, I think America needs to regain the image of tough, if not down-right intimidating. Not bully. But you don’t **** with us. So through my eyes I gage all the candidates through the lens of do they have Presidential Temperment. Trump does not. Rand Paul does not. Hilary does not.

And let’s take a look at reality. Trump’s numbers are climbing and they keep climbing when he does some batsh*t comment. That pleases a lot of people. But I feel these outlandish moments will become tiring before long. It’s amusing now but I grow easily bored with stunts like Trump and the others are pulling to become popular. When the collective people sit down and start asking for real answers and solutions, Trump and the others better come up with some answers. Republican’s are famous for crapping on the other parties ideas, but constantly fail to provide alternative answers. Hell, that’s easy to do is crap on others. Now… give me a solution. NO? Hmmmm. Why are you talking?

I recently read an article about an investigative group pursuing this issue. When the rubber hits the road will you pull the leaver for Blah Blah? And the answers they are getting is no. That holds true for Trump and Bernie Sanders. If Sanders is unapologetic socialist, middle America will start digging into that and mostly like back away from him. Same with Trump. When people sit down and think about everything, Trump is so far removed from portraying Presidential qualities, they get real and back away.

I’m not sure Hillary will make it. Not only because of the email thing, but when you really watch her, she’s nothing new. What does she have to offer? If she’s in the politico machine, why would I give her more credence? She’s like Jeb Bush. Soft and squishy. I’m not impressed by them.

Just from the one debate, the only one who impressed me was Ben Carson. And at the core of my feelings, he too is too quiet and not tough. Give him some spark and some “I don’t take **** from you”, I think his ranking would greatly increase. But if that’s not him, it’s not him.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 19, 2015, 01:18:08 pm
Excellent points Mac and Neumatic. And yes, we are "Soft" in the eyes of other world leaders and I think the biggest advocate of that is Obama. He wants to be political correct and somehow have bloodless wars. Sure, that's a grand idea, but there is no such things as bloodless wars and the other leaders know this. When you have that at the forefront, the leaders can pretty much dictate at will in their meetings with one another to get what they want and NOT have to give anything up for it. If what I said hasn't pointed it out yet, I view Obama as VERY WEAK. What a "legacy" he's going to have when he leaves office.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 19, 2015, 01:28:20 pm
I think the big thing about the big O looking weak is because he was elected on this massive wave and didn't use it at all, people said what they wanted, they wanted a dude to come in and take care of business, and there was this whole "everybody chill, I got this" attitude after the first election.  But instead of laying down the law, swinging for the fences and fighting, he sat down with the opposition and tried to make a deal with people who not only had no intentions of negotiating, but spent every day for eight years trying to de-legitimize him.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 20, 2015, 09:36:12 am
More data about what I was expressing the other day. What people really think.

Donald Trump is a legit candidate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/donald-trump-is-a-legit-candidate-these-new-polls-prove-it/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2015, 04:58:15 pm
I just got finished watching the "Junior Varsity" debate with Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham and George Pataki. I wasn't expecting much for this one, but I came away impressed with 3 of the 4. I think Pataki really didn't do much and will most likely be the next one to end their campaign. I thought that Graham was off the hook. I loved seeing his passion. He was bordering on being "p*ssed off" at the state of America  through most of the debate and it came through. Santorum and Jindal also did well. Waiting for the Main Event Debate to start. I've been waiting 6 weeks for this and I think it's going to be good. All I have to say is that Trump better bring something....anything with substance. He needs policy specifics. He can't continue to rely on rhetoric to get him through to the Presidency. FYI, I still don't have a horse in this race. It's too earlier for that. Have to wait for the herd to thin out and see who is left before I start to gravitate to someone that will do what they say.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2015, 08:18:50 pm
Good Lord, that was a long debate. 3 hours!! Too many people on the floor. So, how did Trump do? I think he was battered somewhat. He did take some sharp jabs from most of the other candidates. I won't say he lost, but he didn't really help himself either. I will say that Carly and Christie probably did the most to benefit from the debate. I will say that Rand Paul did the worst. He didn't have as many chances as everyone else. I think I have less faith in Carson to be able to be an effective President after watching him tonight. Gonna watch the after-debate talk and listen to what the pundits have to say.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 16, 2015, 08:34:50 pm
I agree about Trump, though he did have some rallying moments. I thought Carly was ok, but may even lowered whatever impression I had of her. Carson needs to be more expressive. Jeb looked doughy and soft. Not authoritative at all. He really has a lot of baggage with that name.

I like Rubio... I want to hear more.

Christie's moment sailed long ago. I cannot stand Huckabee or Cruz

But ya, it was too long. I stopped after 2 hours. It definitely tetered on being funny.

I'm still grumpy all this political positioning happened so early and consuming and wasting a lot of our time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 16, 2015, 08:42:03 pm
All I want to see happen now is the lower polled candidates to fall away now, rather than later, so that the next Republican Debate will have a more manageable group to work with so that each one will have more time to talk rather than everyone stepping over each other. As for Rubio...was he out in the parking lot? Didn't see him. He probably had the 2nd least (just above Rand) mic time of everyone. I'd like to hear more from him as well. But Jake Tapper (the moderator) is to blame as he was directing the questions and for whatever reason was avoiding him. With that said, I did think he did a good job overall and kept Trump from dominating the proceedings.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 18, 2015, 04:38:56 am
Outsourcing (2010)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2lDIHyqo7Q

So, they just dug this old AD up from 2010 and have been running it on the news circuit. I knew of Carly's bad track record, but I had never seen this particular AD before. It's going to be somewhat ironic that an old AD will derail her chances at getting the nomination just as it derailed her chances against Barbara Boxer. How can anyone watch this and not want to see her fail.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 18, 2015, 05:52:27 am
Pretty damaging.

I just found her cold whenever she spoke.

Internally I'm asking my self for each candidate... Are they Presidential material? Do they represent authority and more importantly would I trust them to head a nation?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 24, 2015, 08:35:00 am
Yep, had to get up early today so that I didn't miss Pope Francis addressing congress at the Capitol. Good speech. As for the handful of people that refused to applaud or stand up, they looked ridiculous in their defiance. Their agenda of 'boycotting' his appearance just made them look incredibly childish. Why bother showing up, especially when you know you're going to be on TV for all the world to see. I really don't get the mentality of people when it comes to making a statement like this. As for everything else that happened, I really dug hearing Pope Francis saying he was happy to be in "....the land of the free and the home of the brave". I knew this would get a great reaction from the rest of the Senate.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 24, 2015, 01:36:46 pm
Ya, I don't get the show up and be defiant, in particular when you'll be the super minority (ie: Westboro Baptist... ahem).

It's definitely a douche move, but I think they are totally oblivious to how they appear and what they think of themselves.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2015, 11:09:21 am
Secret Service agents: Hillary is a nightmare to work with (http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/)


It's ironic that every time I see Hilary's face on TV or in the news, my first words out of my mouth would be "F*ck Off!". Who knew. Anyway, this is a short read, but a fascinating one for sure. I'm not surprised at all she's hated as much as they say here.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 03, 2015, 12:26:26 pm
Here's something real damaging about Carly Fiorina and her time with HP:

How Steve Jobs Fleeced Carly Fiorina, via Medium (https://medium.com/backchannel/how-steve-jobs-fleeced-carly-fiorina-79d1380663de)

Dang dude, I do NOT want someone who screws up that badly to be in charge.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 03, 2015, 03:04:14 pm
Even before reading that article, I had no intention of ever voting for her. This is just another mark against her to do anything right. If Steve Jobs can pull a fast one on her, just imagine someone like Putin doing the same thing. Yeah, she is ill-equipped for the role of Commander-In-Chief. Sadly, most voters out there will never hear about this particular story unless a major news media like CNN or Fox News ran with it. You would think someone during the Republican Debate would have gone into detail. I'm surprised Trump didn't say anything beyond "you were a disaster...." in making his point as to why no one should vote for her.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 13, 2015, 02:57:54 pm
I plan to watch the first Democratic Debate tonight, but whether I stay with it for longer than a curiosity will depend entirely on how the Debate starts. I suspect that all the nominees have already been warned not to engage or challenge Hilary Clinton. If no one does anything to call her on her sh*t, and that includes the moderator, then I'm done. I'm hopeful that Webb, O'Malley and Chafee, with nothing to lose, go for broke and back her up into a corner. As popular as Sanders is, I don't expect him to engage at all other than stick with his talking points that he has committed to memory. I hope they prove me wrong and make this a Debate worth watching tonight.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 13, 2015, 03:03:27 pm
I like your approach. I will not be watching. Didn't really plan too. Going to go see an old friend give a lecture on his photography and travels. Hopefully it will be interesting.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 13, 2015, 06:59:44 pm
F*ck this Democrat Debate. 4 out of 5 are spineless. No one came at Clinton when Anderson Cooper asked about the email/server issue. You even have Sanders coming to her defense. F*cking spineless indeed. He's in her pocket to prop her up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 14, 2015, 03:34:50 am
So I didn't miss anything.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 14, 2015, 06:05:13 am
You missed nothing.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 14, 2015, 08:42:17 am
Politics as usual... (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/Chiprocks1/Smilies/0%20All%20Smilies/114434.gif)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 14, 2015, 07:29:46 pm
Here's something: Sanders wins every poll and focus group, CNN declares Hillary winner anyway (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/14/1432468/-Sanders-wins-every-poll-and-focus-group-CNN-declares-Hillary-the-winner).  Unbelievable, isn't this just making up the news?  I feel like a conspiracy nut or something these days.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 14, 2015, 07:48:34 pm
That's why I'm still convinced that the Debate was rigged. How the f*ck do they go the whole night without attacking Clinton? Seriously, why isn't that being called into question today?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 14, 2015, 09:15:02 pm
I love how the Democrats are DEMANDING that the Republican party remove the attack ad against Clinton. You know the Benghazi ad? Yeah. Democrats.....entitled much?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 22, 2015, 10:15:50 am
Watching Hillary getting raked over the coals in the Benghazi Committee right now. At times she seems flustered at the line of questioning posed by the committee and at other times, she seems bored as if this is beneath her to even be there. Fascinating to watch. At the end of it all, she will walk away from this unscathed. Granted we have just started, but I'm sure she will skate on this and of course on her email accounts and servers fiasco.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 22, 2015, 10:19:26 am
Watching both the Republicans and the Democrats on the committee tearing each other apart is just indicative of what's wrong with Washington and Politics in general. Meanwhile, Hillary is enjoying this reprieve from questionings from the committee.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 22, 2015, 03:02:13 pm
I'm beyond embarrassed. I'm just so freakin frustrated. And can we say tired of this political air. We have over a year more of this crap!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 22, 2015, 06:06:43 pm
Good Lord, that was a long session. It's now 6pm my time and it's now over. I don't think anything is going to come of this and in the end was a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 28, 2015, 02:06:03 pm
Anyone plan on watching Republican Debate #3 tonight? I think it's going to be 'Pick on Trump' night given the fact that he is now #2 and the lower tier candidates have nothing better to do. Trump has to go after Carson on some of the more controversial things he has said in the past. Whatever happens, I'm expecting fireworks and nothing like that sham of a Debate the Democrats had a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 28, 2015, 07:27:59 pm
Man, this "Debate" went off the rails right from the start with John Kasich when he went nuclear. After that, it was anyone's game. I can't say who "won", but I can say that Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Bush and Paul didn't win for sure. Cruz, Rubio and Christie were the most memorable for sure. But with that said, everyone is going to be talking about the stupidity of the Moderator's. Good Lord, who hired these idiots? I never watch CNBC, so I don't know who any of them are. I loved that Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Christie called them out on their sh*t. I hope the media will call them out for such stupid questions and snide remarks by them. Sheesh!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 28, 2015, 09:27:46 pm
I called it. CNN and FOXNews are ripping into the Moderator debacle and rightly so. I've been bouncing back and forth between both networks, but I gotta assume that it's the main talking point on other channels for sure. Seeing all their stupid questions being replayed over and over has gotta make the head honcho at CNBC sh*tting in his/her pants right now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 08, 2015, 07:33:02 pm
Article on the redesigned DailyKos, Bernie Sanders wins 2016 Mock Election (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/8/1447235/-Bernie-Sanders-Wins-100-Accurate-Mock-Election).  The University of Illinois mock election has been accurately predicting the winner EVERY TIME since 1975.  Now they have Sanders winning in a 4-1 landslide.  Wow.

I couldn't help notice a part in the entry that says no news organization is reporting this, pretty much status quo.  It honestly has me wondering: how long can that go on?  Could it literally last until election night?  Could Bernie be reported as a crazy fringe candidate up to the point where he gets 270?  (And you know that sh*t would be contested, Bush v Gore was NOTHING compared to the legal h3ll we'll get if the people elect Sanders cause no one else wants him in power).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2015, 07:55:50 pm
I really hope he doesn't win....same goes for Hillary. But that's just my personal wishing. As for realistically winning, I can't see Bernie winning at all, let alone by a 4-1 margin.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 10, 2015, 10:08:41 am
Round 4 for the Republican's tonight. I really hope this debate is one with substance and not the train wreck from 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 13, 2015, 06:38:45 am
After Trump's 90 minute rant/tirade about Carson last night, I'm certain this is the beginning of Trump's downfall. I can't see how this would help him in anyway. Also, calling the people of Iowa "stupid" people for believing anything Carson says, is a one-way ticket out of the GOP race. Honestly, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 13, 2015, 09:33:40 am
I'm calling it... the downfall (slow or fast, but I suspect fast), of Donald Trump. He has never appeared presidential. In fact, more of his real self is becoming clearer and  he consistently displays the attitude of a teenager or younger. I say 'fast' because I picture him getting ticked off because his ratings are going down or he's being ignored, or something where he will huff and take his ball with him.

Ben Carson is not exactly impressing me anymore either. In fact, he's raising my eyebrows quite a bit with his comments, lies and beliefs of late. He may appear more presidential, but I have to trust the man. I suspect he's not being crucified because he's not a threat to anyone. Especially the public.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 13, 2015, 06:29:57 pm
The terrorist attack in Paris tonight is horrible news. I feel bad for all those families who's lives are forever ruined. Hopefully Obama finally steps up and does something that will curb this kind of violence. No more half measures. Either you're all in or not. No more training 'rebels'....no more sending 50 Elite Soldiers. It's time to put boots on the ground and not just the US, but other countries as well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 14, 2015, 08:32:58 pm
Bernie Sanders is a dumbf*ck. Get this clown out of here. If he is not going to challenge Hilary on any issues and is willingly handing the nomination to her, then why the f*ck is this idiot even running?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 14, 2015, 10:06:23 pm
I gotta tell you, the recent realization that the Democratic party would never give Sanders the nomination anyway kinda has me numb to this whole BS thing now.  Republican offerings are a joke.  Clinton is treated like the de facto obvious choice, just because she's been running for it for so long.  Makes the whole thing feel far more pointless than usual.  I mean, the third choice... not a choice, that's not gonna happen.  Not viable.

I mean, it's felt meaningless in the past, but now it just feels like what we all suspect: it's only there to perpetuate itself, the only choices we'll get are in the best interests of the pre-existing power structure.  But it just feels so blatant now, like it's not even trying.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 14, 2015, 10:12:12 pm
The whole thing is a farce....on both sides. Seriously, why the f*ck is Clinton being given the crown? What the f*ck did she ever do that was worthy of that kind of honor? She's been horrible in everything she has done. Her policies suck and it sends chills up my back thinking she is going to be running this country. Shameful.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 15, 2015, 05:31:08 am
You guys are nailing it. I too have the same feelings and perspective.

I wonder what percentage of America thinks this?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 16, 2015, 09:27:43 am
The press is ripping Obama a new one after his speech this morning and rightly so. The most ineffective President ever just put the American people at greater risk. Thanks. Enjoy your "Legacy" as the worst President ever. Infuriating.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 17, 2015, 10:19:09 pm
French father explains terror attacks to his young son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2S9An4AX0M

I saw this a couple of times today on CNN and it's heartbreaking to see a little boy having to confront the reality of the world we live in. But I absolutely love how the father talked to him in the manner he does to reassure him he is safe. Made me well up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 18, 2015, 03:49:31 am
Good lord, that was sweet. I didn't know news reported stuff like that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 19, 2015, 10:40:32 pm
Democrats just delivered a stunning blow to Obama's Syrian refugee plan  (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-just-delivered-huge-blow-193742129.html)

In what has been a very sh*tty week for American's having to stomach the idiocy of the Three Stooges (Obama, Kerry and Clinton), there is something almost gleeful about the news that Congress has temporarily stopped Obama's insane policy that would/will do harm to the American people in the long run. What makes it better is that his own Democratic party turned against him. Here's to common sense making it's way to the senate floor for once.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 08, 2015, 01:50:33 pm
This Republican race for the Presidency is giving me a massive headache. I can't take this sh*t anymore. Even when I turn the TV off and do something else, I still can't get away from it. Trump opens up his mouth and puts his foot in it and suddenly it's all over the place....again. My head hurts. I've always maintained that his run was for "ratings" and name branding only. I still believe that. This country is f*cked no matter who "wins" be it Republican or Democrat.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on December 08, 2015, 02:57:53 pm
And aren't you so glad we have a year more of this sh*t?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 08, 2015, 02:59:14 pm
And aren't you so glad we have a year more of this sh*t?

Ugh!  >:(
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 15, 2015, 08:46:08 pm
Watching the Republican debate gave me a headache, which is carrying over from the past few weeks. All I heard tonight was white noise. Donald Trump proves once again he SUCKS at debating. Watching him respond to questions or attack from his opponents was squirm inducing. So, with another poor performance, he has all but locked up the nomination. Crazy times. Lindsay Graham in the first debate also made me uncomfortable. When he argues or debates or whatever you want to call it, he is always on the verge of tears which isn't something the Leader of the free world should be presenting. I saw no clear "winners" tonight.


NOTE: Apparently I need hand holding to post in the correct thread as I can't tell what's up and what's down tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on December 15, 2015, 09:01:25 pm
I wasn't even aware it was on, I (and Mac as well, I think) was watching a show on Syfy about the world being promised a utopia but is actually being given a bleak, sterile doomed existence by a benevolent overseer who turns out to be this:

(http://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/syfy_hero_breakpoints_theme_syfy_tablet_wide_1x/public/ChildhoodsEnd_hero_Karellen_01.jpg?itok=xTTYc763)

So... maybe the same thing?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 15, 2015, 09:45:10 pm

So... maybe the same thing?

BOOM!!!!!

Neumatic drops the mic........and walks off!  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 08, 2016, 10:37:47 am
Clinton 'Surprised' Other Staffer Used Private Email, New Docs Show (http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-surprised-other-staffer-used-private-email-docs-162504178.html)


What a f*cking hypocrite! Sure, we all knew she was, but with this specific email at hand, she can no longer play the "certain emails were/are allowed on my private email account/server" card anymore. The fact that she acknowledges that her staffer was doing something illegal shows that she knew right from wrong. Furthermore, since she didn't do anything (not that I have seen or heard contrary) as far as firing or reporting the staffer for this is also a crime in itself. Why this hasn't exploded yet with mainstream media today is baffling. She should have been indicted the moment this email was discovered. I did however hear on FOX News yesterday that there were rumblings from 'insiders' within the FBI or whoever, that an indictment of Clinton would be coming down within the next 60 days. I'm wondering if it does relate to this specific email.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 08, 2016, 12:31:20 pm
Clinton's are absolute Teflon.

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 08, 2016, 01:24:53 pm
They really are... which I guess is a strength if you're occupying the highest office in the land.  I doubt that Hillary would get indicted or be forced to drop out of the race, but if she does, that can only mean one thing.... President O"Malley!

(https://thegeekswereright.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/3815.jpg?w=640)

(I actually have no idea what Martin O'Malley looks like, which doesn't bode well for a dude who wants to be a nominee).

Seriously, I am wondering, given that the DNC has been snubbing Sanders so much, if Hillary had to drop out, would they actually endorse him or would they be stubborn enough to go for the guy no one's ever heard of?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 08, 2016, 01:46:19 pm
If it came to that, no one will vote for Sanders, unless you're okay with coughing up 90% of your paycheck. F*ck that sh*t.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 08, 2016, 02:04:36 pm
Sanders has a better chance of defeating Trump than Clinton (new PPP poll has him leading Trump by 20 points).  And who said anything about making you give up a chunk of your paycheck?  ****, if anything your paycheck will increase.  Trump thinks Americans are paid too much, Hllary thinks $250,000 is middle class (that's way upper class).  Plus, unlike Hillary, Sanders has always opposed TPP, which is like NAFTA on steroids and probably the biggest power grab by corporations ever.  Heck, check out this write-up about Sanders' run as Mayor of Burlington (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/1/1454937/-Spreading-The-Truth-About-Bernie-Mayor-of-Burlington) and tell me that this doesn't sound even a little tempting.

Plus, think about money outside of your paycheck for a second.  One of Sanders' first priorities is to break up the Too Big To Fail banks (Hillary's plan was to tell them to "cut it out" and take their money).  We can't afford another economic crash, and since the bankers didn't learn their lesson or change their behavior, steps gotta be taken.  If we get single payer, companies in the states will be able to compete oon more equal footing with companies in other countries because now we won't have the only companies who have to foot that extra bill.  And without the draw of health benefits, companies will need to find other ways to attract the talent they want (more money, better vacations, etc).  And your taxes might go up, but you wouldn't have to pay for private insurance (unless you want to, and private insurance would have to become better in order to continue existing, offering service above and beyond the public benefit)... and the amount taken in taxes would be far less than your monthly premium, no doubt, because you have a bigger risk pool.  Also, I don't see any other candidate big on taking on climate change.  You're complaining it's so hot, dude, it's gonna get worse and you're gonna be paying for that.  Global climate change is costing us 1.2 trillion bucks a year, and you don't think you're on the hook for some of that?  You are.

Now you got a problem with Sanders?  You mention his inexperience with foreign policy, his poor record on gun control, his age, the fact that he doesn't have concrete plans for some of these lofty goals, etc.  Legitimate concerns.  But don't give me this "90% of your paycheck" scaremongering bullsh1t cause you and I both know that you're SMARTER than that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 14, 2016, 08:30:32 pm
Republican Debate was very spirited and entertaining tonight. Everyone was going after each other. But the best was of course the whole Birther issue with Cruz. I swear, it was like watching a sitcom....a very funny one at that. Hollywood couldn't write what came out of his mouth, Trump's and then Rubio putting the button on it. Overall, the best Debate yet.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 14, 2016, 08:39:38 pm
With the debate over and one more to go before the Iowa Primary, Carson, Paul (who did not attend the debate) and Kasich need to drop out. They have no chance and are wasting our time taking up spots on the stage. Santorum was good in the first debate and Fiorina did enough to warrant her staying a little longer, even if we all know she won't go any further than where she is at.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 15, 2016, 03:56:47 am
I'm hearing rumblings, some of the candidates are trying now to position themselves for seats in the cabinet?

Who am I kidding, I don't give a sh*t about this sideshow. ALL of them **** me off in some form or another.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 15, 2016, 09:30:16 am
It has been a very interesting Post-Debate last night and especially this morning. A lot of pundits usually start their statements with "I'm not a Trump supporter at all.......but even I was impressed with his range, etc....." It's odd to see so many people that have been bashing him for the past 6 months suddenly turning the corner on him as the potential Republican nominee. At least for a day or so.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 15, 2016, 02:59:27 pm
Well seems my previous post was thoroughly blown out of the water. The GOP is going out for each other.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 21, 2016, 09:44:36 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LPR7DktumA
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 23, 2016, 09:26:13 pm
Confident Trump says could 'shoot somebody' and not lose voters (http://news.yahoo.com/confident-trump-says-could-shoot-people-not-lose-220553670.html?nf=1)


It's saying a lot when I'm coming here to complain that Trump has finally "gone too far" with his remarks. Who the f*ck says they can go out and shoot somebody and not lose any voters? Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with this dumbf*ck? I don't get it. I'm sad, depressed, p*ssed off that there isn't one f*cking candidate on either side worthy of my vote. How the f*ck did it ever come to this? If there was one person I'd cast my vote for and it's only because he is the least objectionable, it would Huckeebee. But voting for him is basically throwing my vote away. Even if he were to somehow pull off a miracle and get the nomination, I don't see how he would win the General Election. And Bloomberg is on the verge of announcing that he will be running as an Independent. If that comes to fruition, he just handed the election to the Democrats, which is probably his intention. I will say it again, how the f*ck did it ever come to this?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 24, 2016, 02:20:27 am
Dick Cheney shot someone and that didn't seem to hurt him that much.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 24, 2016, 05:02:58 am
Good gawd, your right Chip. But it's still very early with lots of chances for change and evolution.

Bloomberg?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 25, 2016, 10:45:21 am
Trump May Skip Fox Debate for Own Town Hall (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-megyn-kelly-skip/2016/01/24/id/710694/)


This is just another reason why I won't be voting for this nimrod. He's out of control. This is all about his ego and the fact that he thinks he can dictate the terms and have people thrown off a moderator's stage is f*cking lunacy. If FOX (or any news channel) actually agreed to this, they should cease to exist as they would lose whatever credibility they had left. FYI, the fact that he is making this threat has nothing to do with Megyn Kelly and everything to do with looking for 'outs' so that he doesn't have to face the onslaught that is sure to come his way this Thursday. I really should be posting this in the Douche Thread.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 25, 2016, 09:33:07 pm
DeLay: FBI 'Ready to Indict' Hillary (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tom-delay-hillary-clinton-indict-fbi/2016/01/25/id/710813/)


Even though the evidence is overwhelming that she broke the law, intentionally no less, I'm still not convinced anything will ever happen because Obama will not allow this because her indictment is also an indictment on his precious "legacy". He doesn't want to be tied to her in the annals of history and trust me, she goes down and this is all anyone will ever remember of him. Now if they don't indict, I hope that the FBI will in fact follow through with their intentions of releasing everything to the public.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 26, 2016, 06:13:21 pm
Trump is the BIGGEST p*ssy ever! F*cking coward!!!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 26, 2016, 06:16:32 pm
How great would it be if his political career died because he was scared of a girl?  it's the kind of ironic twist that d-bags like that deserve.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 26, 2016, 07:02:05 pm
That's the first thing I said to the family!!!!! I love that everyone is going on CNN and FOX and basically calling him out for that very reason. P*SSY!!!!!! He's a f*cking joke. He is going to get ripped apart for 2 hours on Thursday.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 26, 2016, 07:36:13 pm
Fox News Is Straight Up Clowning Donald Trump Now (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/fox-news-straight-clowning-donald-trump-now-204644050.html)


FOX's rebuttal to Trump bowing out was and is priceless. This was read on-air by Megyn Kelly herself and I couldn't help but chuckle.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 28, 2016, 06:47:06 pm
I'm mid debate for the Republican Debate right now and I gotta chime in now. Trump's "Special Event" is already a MASSIVE failure! I knew it was going to suck because it's the same damn thing he always does, talks about polls, talks about the same sh*t over and over. BORING! Now that in itself doesn't make it a failure. Even the fact that he was 15 minutes late isn't what makes it a failure. It's the fact that there is no opposition for him to push back on. Without that, I lose all interest in listening to this blowhard about about himself. I could give a f*ck how he feels "disrespected" by the media.

He is D.O.N.E.

....or maybe not.

Sticking with the debate until it's over.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 29, 2016, 09:45:50 am
You have more patience than I. The debate sounded like it was a whole lotta meh. Heard little good or bad about Trumps deal.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 29, 2016, 09:59:01 am
Hey, I'll be honest here, love or hate Trump, he makes the debate fun to watch, even if he doesn't have any legit policies beyond "Building a Wall". With Trump out of the debate, it was a flat, dull, lifeless 2 hours. Not as bad as watching a Democrat Debate, but still as you said "meh". Ted Cruz just needs to go away now. He's been outed as a liar on National TV. But I doubt much will be said about it beyond today and his sheep will go back to following him blindly. Big mistake for the people of Iowa to do that. Overall, I don't think anyone won.....except Trump. He stayed out of harm's way and let everyone else take shots at each other. I still say Trump is a coward, but in this aspect, he comes out as the victor of not having to answer questions and letting his closets rival take the heat. Remains to be seen what happens when the first ballots are cast this coming Monday if he truly tanked his campaign by not showing up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 01, 2016, 07:19:10 pm
Trump is getting SPANKED tonight. Sure Cruz "only" has a 3500 vote lead, but given the amount of talk given by the pundits saying that if there is a record number turnout in Iowa, that Trump would be running away with it. Not the case. Rubio is having a solid go for the 3rd spot. Sadly, Cruz is going to take Iowa.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 01, 2016, 07:22:30 pm
That's pretty much what I expected to happen.  Cruz sucks, but at least he's not Trump.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 01, 2016, 10:44:00 pm
A coin toss (http://uproxx.com/news/hillary-clinton-iowa-caucus-coin-toss/).  We don't even accept their legitimacy to start football games half the time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 01, 2016, 11:17:53 pm
That is f*cking bullsh*t!!! A coin can't vote! They should have at least made them play Paper, Rock, Scissor if you're going to mock the "voting process".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 01, 2016, 11:24:29 pm
Rock paper scissors would reflect some personality quality to them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 01, 2016, 11:30:34 pm
Here's to hoping that half the Republican candidates drop out tomorrow. It's ridiculous that we are still having to deal with 12.....11, now that Huckeebee is out. Bush needs to stop embarrassing his family and drop out. The guy sucks at public speaking. Same goes for Kasich. Kinda surprised at Christie's horrible showing tonight. I expected him to finish higher than Fiorina.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 01, 2016, 11:41:57 pm
And honestly, I don't know what the difference is between any of the Republican candidates.  Democrats it's easy, you have a flip-flopping crony or an idealistic hippie sourpuss.  Big distinction.  Repubs?  No clue.  And honest, actual Republican issues, concerns and solutions aren't being brought up and that sucks for both their constituents and the country at large.  There's genuine large/small government arguments and so on to be had but we haven't had that in SO long.  We have a ton of problems and we need proposals and solutions from all corners and all viewpoints and we haven't had that in eight god d*mn years, we've had nothing but obstruction and compromises and sh1t.  Outside of trying (and failing) to repeal Obamacare how many times, what have the Republicans actually done?  What forward momentum have they made?  What have they built?  NOTHING.  Why would anyone vote for them?  Why would anyone be inspired by them?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 01, 2016, 11:49:16 pm
I mentioned a few post back that there isn't anyone on either side worthy of my vote. I'm just hoping that as the herd thins, someone will rise up and earn it. But at this rate, that isn't likely to happen. I'm not against someone coming in later and announcing they too are going to run. If they have what it takes to get sh*t done and do what they they say they are going to do, I'm all for it. But as of right now, my vote goes to no one. And to answer your question, there is no difference between any of them other than playing the game slightly different from the next, but not offering the people anything of substance.

And f*cking indict Clinton already! F*CK! She shouldn't even be allowed to run.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 03, 2016, 09:40:12 am
Read The Cruz Campaign's Email Hinting That Ben Carson Was Leaving The Race (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-ben-carson-email_us_56b21148e4b08069c7a593f0?)


I'm surprised that this hasn't really blown up bigger on the news channels yet. Sure, they have mentioned it and then swept it under the carpet as if they think this was "just a misunderstanding". But if you read Carson's original tweet, he states that he will be back on the campaign trail later in the week. Reading it for myself, it never appears he is conceding. Leave it to the Cruz camp to read it that way!! Typical. It took a day for Trump to make mention of vote stealing and with Trump now doubling down on this, I see the story finally coming to the forefront. I expect it to get bigger by the time of the next Republican Debate. I watched Carson last night on Hannity and he has major issues with this in spite of Cruz' "apology". I expect Trump to go after Cruz on this at the debate, but I really want to see Carson lead the attack. If he doesn't, then why should I give him my vote? I don't want him to rely on Trump to do the attacking. Whether you love or hate Trump or Carson, they have valid points on this and it was and is shady.....but expected in the world of politics and even in the world of Cruz.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 04, 2016, 10:43:59 am
Santorum Gave The Worst Response When Asked What Rubio Has Accomplished (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rick-santorum-marco-rubio-accomplishments_us_56b34d98e4b01d80b24530c7?)

Hahahahahahaha. Lame. Just another politician trying to justify another for being one. Weak sauce. Saturday's debate is sure to be fun to watch if everyone goes after Rubio as promised.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 04, 2016, 11:07:20 am
This is probably why many, many folks are sick and tired of establishment politics.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 04, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
Wow, Trump is doing a Town Hall Q/A with Anderson Cooper right now on CNN. This is something he should have been doing in Iowa. Never expected Trump to be brave enough to go one on one with actual Voters because this isn't something he can control like his Rally's. Let's see how this turns out....
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 05, 2016, 10:08:33 am
No sooner do I applaud Trump for actually doing a Town Hall meeting yesterday, he defies logic yet again by canceling all his appearances today because of "iffy weather". Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with this guy (beyond the obvious). Just f*cking go away you stupid dumbf*ck! I find it humorous that he goes on and on about how he is a tireless worker and that he wouldn't take any days off in the White House and yet he can't even bring himself to meet his voters. F*cking hypocrite.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 06, 2016, 03:35:13 pm
Republican Debate in 90 minutes on ABC. This is gonna be a fun night. Everyone dumping on Rubio. Trump and Cruz going after each other. I'm wondering of Fiorina is going to bum-rush the stage since being denied the invite to participate, even with her beating Christie, Bush and Kasich last week in Iowa.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 06, 2016, 07:47:38 pm
With Trump back on the Debate stage, it made this one way more livelier than the previous one. But he wasn't the story tonight. No, that goes to Rubio who got schooled by Christie in the most embarrassing way imaginable. I'm sure it's going to be replayed over and over tonight on the Post-Debate shows tonight. But wow, what an epic failure on his part. Christie calls Rubio out for using prepared statements and his rebuttal was to use it again as his argument. Not once. Not twice. But three f*cking times in the span of 5 minutes. He just proved Christie's argument for him. Even worse is that Rubio looked like a deer in headlights when Christie said "there's the same speech". The look on Rubio's face was f*cking priceless!! He is going down. Cruz was horrible as well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 09, 2016, 07:03:43 am
In the first NH poll last night at Midnight, Kasich CRUSHES Trump!! 3 votes to 2. It's on!  ;D :P If it's not readily apparent, I'm mocking this poll as well as expectations for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 09, 2016, 06:24:56 pm
Trumps takes NH. Expected. Sanders takes NH. Expected. What I'm focused on is who will take the 2,3 and 4 spots. I want to see Bush knock Cruz further down. He's neck and neck with him right now. FYI, I can't stand listening to Clinton and her concession speech is making me laugh. Delusional. She doesn't want to accept the fact that she's not going to be here at the end. I will say that she will look good in an Orange Jumpsuit.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 10, 2016, 12:04:57 pm
16 Presidential Candidates.  Only one pays their interns. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/only-one-presidential-candidate-pays-their-interns-a6863016.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 11, 2016, 11:54:52 am
I didn't read the full article... so where do the money go... ads?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 16, 2016, 05:42:45 am
After Trump's disastrous "debate" last Saturday and his meltdown of "Liar, liar, liar" for the duration, how the f*ck is it that his poll numbers are going up? I thought for sure people would wise up and run in the opposite direction after witnessing how he handles stress on a national stage. I guess the majority of American's really don't give a f*ck and are ok with having someone like him with a finger on the Nuke button.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 23, 2016, 05:39:24 pm
Kerry: State Dept. staffers can't use private server (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/270421-kerry-i-wouldnt-let-staff-use-private-server)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUCUxfV1Z68


I've been waiting 6 months for a high ranking politician in Obama's clique to say EXACTLY this and now that he has, does anyone see the irony of this? Kerry is willing to condemn any staffer that breaks the law, but he says or does nothing about pointing out the fact that Clinton is the reason why he had to say this. F*cking hypocrite. The "do as I say, not as I do" motto aptly applies here.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 24, 2016, 09:29:46 pm
Why Chris Christie never went after Donald Trump (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-chris-christie-never-went-after-donald-trump-023046671.html)


I highly doubt that I would have voted for Christie in the end....had he made it that far, but one thing I was definitely looking forward to and hoping to see was the inevitable showdown between him and Trump on the debate stage. He would have eviscerated Trump and done it with ease and most likely finally put Trump in his place. It would have made for great TV for sure. Sigh. Now all we are left with is "what if".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 25, 2016, 09:50:16 am
Disagree. I think we've seen a substantial change in campaigning. Whether it's changed forever remains to be seen. Trump just has a way of dealing with these debates, arguments and conflicts. After what Trump has done all this time is contrary to what many perceive as abnormal campaigning and would sink most players. It's just a perfect storm of people despising the establishment and rooting for Trump's loud mouth thoughts. Don't agree with Trump on most things, but he's doing and saying things that most people are thinking. Christie might have done decent, but no way demolish.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 25, 2016, 10:26:36 am
I'm not saying it would have had any effect on his poll numbers after the fact for the very reason you stated with the American people wanting Trump to get into the White House for the sake of blowing up the system from within. What I do think is that Christie would have embarrassed him publicly on stage in front of millions. Hell, if Jeb Bush, who doesn't have any skill whatsoever in attacking opponents can make Trump go into tantrum mode as he did a couple of weeks ago, Christie would have destroyed him given the fact that's what he use to do as a prosecutor. Yes, Trump has mastered the art of retaliation via twitter after the fact, but on stage, he has no game and it shows.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 25, 2016, 03:33:58 pm
Ya gotta point. Though I don't do it, social media is sooooooo important and sounds like he's leveraging that angle. If more people are paying attention to the campaign through media vs. actually watching the debates, then he's got a plan, albeit it's a few minutes later to think about it.

Seriously I'm having serious problems with the current train wreck. I can't stand Hillary. Same with Cruz. I just don't see Trump in that presidential seat. If we've been watching congress and the senate just fight everything Obama has been doing... Just because he's Obama, I see them absolutely stonewalling someone like Trump.

Sanders, I know little about, but I do know, I don't particularly like the socialism perspective. Rubio = establishment. That just irritates the hella out of me. Not Rubio perhaps, but the government continuing as usual. Gahhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 25, 2016, 03:59:37 pm
And there's the rub. There is no viable candidate on either side of the aisle. Each and every single one has a major flaw that gives me pause. For me, it's about going with the least objectionable. Ugh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 25, 2016, 05:19:01 pm
Debate starts in 15 minutes. This is going to be a bloodbath! I'm expecting eye gouging, hair pulling, biting, fish hooking and kicks to the groin and that's just between the moderators.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 25, 2016, 06:12:04 pm
20 minutes into the debate and Trump is getting hammered left and right and Rubio is doing the most hammering. Still waiting for Cruz and Rubio to start tearing each other apart. Rubio has to go all out on both of them if he wants to continue onward. So far so good. Hey, where the hell is Carson and Kasich? They are just spectators to this!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 25, 2016, 08:01:48 pm
Thank God tonight's debate is over. I was expecting exactly what we got, but that gave me a headache as it was unending. Sheesh!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 26, 2016, 04:10:10 am
I watched 1/2 hour, and stopped after it gave me a headache. What I saw was Trump getting trounced by Rubio. That was funny to see Trump get flustered.

Man, they said screw you to the moderators too. That one guy looked pissssssssssed
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 26, 2016, 08:39:45 am
Watching the pundits this morning on all the News Channels has been fun this morning. EVERYONE is ripping on Trump and rightly so. Rubio is really going all out, calling him out and exposing Trump for what he is. He has to keep this up. He has to be relentless in his attacks if he hopes to make any kind of dent on Super Tuesday. With that said, Trump has a "news conference" coming up shortly and has said their is a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT forthcoming. Really curious to see if there is something big or not. My guess is that it's going to be 45 minutes of him ranting and raving and calling Rubio and Cruz a "choker artist" and a "Liar".  This is fun.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 26, 2016, 05:27:50 pm
Black Lives Matter Activist Interrupts Hillary Clinton [2/24/16] "I am NOT a Superpredator."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLfvQfuvsA

Please let this be the beginning of the end of Clinton.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 27, 2016, 12:23:28 pm
I don't know what will bring down folks like Clinton's or Trump. They seem to be made of Teflon.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 27, 2016, 03:48:02 pm
Poll: 38% of Florida voters believe Ted Cruz could be the Zodiac Killer (http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/02/26/Poll-38-of-Florida-voters-believe-Ted-Cruz-could-be-the-Zodiac-Killer/4771456519542)


Now THIS I believe! I also have him pegged for Jack The Ripper as well.
 :P :P
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2016, 06:11:34 am
I'm really shocked at how low Marco Rubio has gone with the personal attacks on Trump. I get why he is doing it (to get media attention), but he really comes off looking bad in the way he is going about it now. It started with the debate, but it wasn't personal though. The last two days however have taken it lower than exected, Rubio has completely morphed into the very thing he is claiming to be against. Seriously, attacking Trump about wetting himself and his orange Tan? That's the best you can come up with? It's too little too late. As for Trump, his attacks against Rubio just make him look dumber than he already is. Seriously, attacking him on wearing makeup and his ears? How the f*ck does he continue to galvanize the public when he doesn't have a single policy to stand on? I don't get it. Someone please explain how this can happen? You would think people in general would actually like to know how things are going to get done beyond the rhetoric.

You know, it's ironic that if there is a slim chance of unseating Trump and making a last ditch effort to get him out of the race, he actually has to win Texas for it to happen. If he does that, then Cruz will have no choice but to drop out, thus making it a 2 person race. But that doesn't remove Carson and Kasich. I think it's far too late to do anything anyway. Not enough time and like Mac said, he has it a nerve with everyone and they are OK with a man with no policies as President.  As Lindsay Graham said the other day, this is Batsh*t Crazy, indeed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 28, 2016, 06:37:45 am
All this childish slamming makes none of these folks looking remotely presidential.

Good lord
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2016, 09:04:06 am
Trump refuses to disavow white supremacist David Duke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-R6ebzizpk


THIS is why I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth. He can't really believe that the rest of us don't think for one second he doesn't know who Duke is, what he stands for or what his organization and other similar organizations are. Total bullsh*t. And yet, this is how he is able to constantly skate by. He gives himself wiggle room like this so that he never has to answer questions like this if he knows it will directly affect voter turnout. The problem is, reporters and pundits never follow up on this and just let it go unanswered.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on February 28, 2016, 10:55:36 am
did that video have Trump talking? I skated through it and just saw the pundits talk about Sanders and Clinton.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2016, 10:58:00 am
They may have swapped it out. But I caught the actual interview this morning on CNN with Jake Tapper and even he was getting annoyed at Trump's "excuse" for not giving him a legit response.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2016, 11:00:18 am
Donald Trump on State of the Union: Full Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJtEe5x10d4


Here ya go.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 28, 2016, 02:35:45 pm
Donald Trump responds to critics of his business practices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxMNsitws9Q

Is Super Tuesday make or break for Ted Cruz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9Ta5eMJ6w

Why did Marco Rubio wait so long to attack Donald Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYG3QfhZXvY


THIS is why Chris Wallace is my go-to reporter. He's the only one that calls it down the middle and is unbiased, in spite of being on FOX News. I caught this interview this morning and I've been waiting for them to be uploaded on YouTube. Well, here it is in all it's glory. Chris makes Trump and Cruz look insanely stupid by using their own words and "policies" against them and to a lesser extent does the same to Rubio. THIS is how EVERY reporter needs to conduct their business and stop kissing their asses just to guarantee they come back on their network. Now, if you haven't seen the interviews, I highly suggest you watch them all and see a master at work. Trump looked shaken and befuddled at trying to answer the questions and gets rattle pretty easily. Cruz looked even more off-guard and became belligerent toward Chris when he couldn't brush aside his dirty tricks and Rubio didn't escape either as he constantly pivoted to get away from answering his own financial fallacies. I'm pretty confident these 3 interviews will become newsworthy on all the other News Channels. They are THAT good and damn entertaining to watch all 3 fall apart so easily. Bravo Mr. Wallace!!!  One last thing...what I found very bizarre was that after watching the Trump interview, I told myself I would NEVER vote for this asshat and then while I was watching the Cruz interview, I said I was voting for Trump just to spite Cruz because of how he handled the interview. WTF is happening?! WATCH THESE INTERVIEWS and see for yourself!!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 29, 2016, 06:18:41 am
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

Another gem from John Oliver.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 01, 2016, 07:07:00 am
Super Tuesday today. Moment of truth. We are going to find out what may make or break all the campaign's on the Republican side today.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on March 01, 2016, 03:09:11 pm
Yeah, this article would have to come out TODAY, but d6mn is it distressing: Donald Trump and American Authoritarianism. (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 03, 2016, 08:54:26 am
I just watched Mitt Romney's speech eviscerating Trump and it was electric. It's ironic that the most Presidential candidate we have isn't even running. Sigh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 03, 2016, 09:41:31 am
One of the best parts of the speech was when Romney basically cut Trump off at the pass regarding how DT would respond to his speech via Twitter. Will he respond as Presidential or will he respond as a third grader with insults? It has been 30 minutes now and still no Tweet. Watching the News right now is funny because everyone keeps checking their twitter feed and still nothing. Someone finally shut Trump up!! Haha. It won't last long obviously, but I'm just enjoying the peace and quite while I can.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 03, 2016, 11:41:53 am
Trump is a f*cking idiot. I'm watching his "Press Conference" right now and he is just rambling on and on with no coherent thought. He is all over the place that it's laughable. Yes, this is what he normally does at his rallies, but this is suppose to be his response to Mitt and this is the best he can do? He had 2 hours to prep for this and he still can't get through an entire sentence without exposing to people what he is. Blaming Mitt for a wet carpet at his house? Talking about The Apprentice and Arnie? If he wasn't running for President, he'd be looking for work as a stand up comedian. What a joke. I also find it very enlightening that he has been throwing out more and more hecklers throughout all of this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 03, 2016, 08:55:17 pm
With Mitt's speech the talk of the day, I was very much looking forward to the Republican Debate tonight wondering how it would all play out. I think both Rubio and Cruz failed to do much of anything to trip up Trump. I thought that Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly did better than the two candidates with regards to in trapping him on policy issues. But true to form, Trump was able to wiggle out with nebulous answers. So, at the end of the day, everything that happened this morning and tonight is going to do absolutely nothing to stop Trump. A huge missed opportunity by everyone on stage to gain traction over him. With all that said, I thought Kasich did the best by far.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 05, 2016, 01:10:28 pm
Cruz is THUMPING Trump right now. Yes, it's only 10% tallied in Kansas, but I think it's safe to say that Cruz will win Kansas today. Look, I HATE Cruz with a passion and never want to ever live in America that has him as President, but in this instance today, I'm all for anyone beating Trump, even Cruz. Anything that will get us to a Brokered Convention is good in my book. Best case scenario would be for Kasich to have a massive come-from-behind comeback win and take Kansas. It won't happen, but it would be nice.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 06, 2016, 09:26:18 am
Nancy Reagan (July 6, 1921 – March 6, 2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjdSj4SG8sw

Great First Lady. Great person.
RIP
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on March 06, 2016, 11:07:23 am
I actually didn't realize that she was still alive.  The timing of this is weird, since I just finished Fargo and Ronald Reagan is fresh in my head.  While I can't say I'm much a  fan of his policies or how we're still screwed by them today, nor do I believe in an afterlife, I have this image in my head of the former actor and the leading lady of his life reunited against a sunset, a lovely denouement, and I hope they actually do get that , if not for real in a place beyond our comprehension, at least in their hearts, where it matters.




Oh, thanks to someone on Reddit, here's the trailer for the one movie Ronald and Nancy were in together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWXjCnASCk
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 10, 2016, 08:04:06 pm
I just watched the Republican Debate tonight and I'm stunned. It was civil! What the hell! No yelling, no screaming, no demeaning name calling. It was just 4 people on stage marking their points in measured tones. Stunned. Never thought I see that happen.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 11, 2016, 03:20:12 pm
I just saw a news clip and thought it was a bit revealing... Trump can be mature about things. This just might shed some different light on him. Don't know if it's enough for people to bite into. I'm pretty sure we've seen his true nature.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 11, 2016, 05:14:20 pm
Man, this is insane watching a full on riot breaking out at Trump's cancelled rally right now. Yes, there are a handful of kids that are clearly in this just to get on TV. They look stupid, but there are a lot of people that clearly have issues that are using this situation to act out. If this doesn't have any residual effect on Trump's rise, then I don't know what will. What a sad sad commentary on the state of both the race for the Presidency as well as the country as a whole. Trump is to blame with his "I wish I could punch him in the face" comment and the fact that he didn't walk it back last night at the debate is just giving people the encouragement to lash out.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 11, 2016, 05:58:50 pm
Violence at the rally's are becoming a thing. So far Trump has been Teflon if not a magnet to growth on these nothing like normal campaigns.

People are friggin idiots. Missouri is so embarrassing.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 13, 2016, 09:11:11 am
Wise words by Adam Corolla...

Who NOT to vote for

https://youtu.be/eE6ica0t95Q
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 13, 2016, 09:24:28 am
Recently Mitt Romney has popped up recently. Why? For whatever purpose, it's back firing on him big time. Recently on the Dave Glover show, they mashed up some comments by Mitt over the years. Essentially 180 degree thinking.

This is a prime example of why people are fed up with politico talk. Trump is not immune to it. They all do it and I don't understand people going overboard durning campaigns. It's all lies and these politicians will say things, anything to get the vote.

When I searched for this clip they played, I was surprised at the ton of youtube video's that address these contradictions.

Mitt Romney’s Epic Irony On Losing An Election Will Make You Spit Your Coffee

https://youtu.be/opvIy06ysRE

Mitt Romney debates himself

https://youtu.be/cPgfzknYd20

Mitt Romney debates himself, pt 2

https://youtu.be/bZfXvFAeHVo
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 14, 2016, 09:11:56 am
Trump's "Town Hall" rally is on all the stations right now and it's a f*cking joke (nothing new there). But seriously, how can anyone take him or this rally serious when the guy "moderating" is Chris Christie when all he is doing is feeding Trump softball questions that are nothing more than setups for Trump to spew out the same "answers" we have been hearing day in and day out.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 16, 2016, 08:42:43 pm
Trump's New Attack Ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17EOM3RTD1Y

Wait for it...........

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 19, 2016, 07:09:51 am
Clinton Acknowledges Hacking Threat Of Personal Devices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pDQ0UMK4Fc

If THIS doesn't hang her, than nothing will and if that's the case, then we have a massive cover-up by the Obama administration and the DOJ in getting her into the White House.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 19, 2016, 09:20:10 am
ya know... it's gonna come down to Hillary and Trump. I think a lot of people will suddenly find they have to vote for one of them.

right now it's all fun and games and watch this train wreck of politics... but dayum, I am going to be very conflicted when it comes time to vote for either one of these liars.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 19, 2016, 10:35:26 am
There is always the 'Write In' vote where you can choose someone....or something else. At least this way you can say you did your part. You voted and can take pleasure in knowing that in spite of not changing the outcome one way or another.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on March 19, 2016, 01:43:26 pm
I honestly don't think it's  gonna be Trump.  From what I've been hearing, Trump is either going to cash out (does he really want to be president or just prove he COULD be President?  What if he knows he'd fail at being President?), or the Republicans are going to hold an open convention (rather like House Of Cards just did) to find this season's sacrificial lamb to lose to Hillary.  The establishment Republicans actually do not want Trump leading the party, they think he'll destroy the brand.  But the truth is, they already broke it.  The Republican brand has been meaningless for a while now, which is why ignorant loudmouths like Trump and Palin can ascend to the heights they do.

And the truth is the Democrats aren't far behind, they're center-right for the most part but the conservatives who would vote for them won't and the left-leaning voters are completely disaffected by them.  No one can really trust Hillary, but she's playing the game so well (and hasn't REALLY been challenged) that she's going to be the eventual nominee.

But they can do this, the Republican and Democrat parties are private entities, they can do whatever they want.  We don't really vote for candidates, they just need a certain percentage of people to approve of them.  Scratch that, chosen electors.  The people don't really HAVE a choice outside of total dismissal, which is why the lesser of two evils always wins and can do whatever they want.

This has always sucked, but there's another stress point coming up, and it's something that doesn't seem connected to politics.  See, recently a computer called AlphaGo reached God-like Go player status. (https://medium.com/basic-income/deep-learning-is-going-to-teach-us-all-the-lesson-of-our-lives-jobs-are-for-machines-7c6442e37a49#.e9di9bal2)  Now, this is a bigger deal than Deep Blue beating Gary Kasperov because you can brute force beat Chess, but there are evidently more permutations of a Go board than there are atoms in the universe.  The methodology needed to attain that status requires a process called Deep Learning, which everyone thought was still 10 years away.

What this means is that, as bad as the job market is now, with plenty of jobs obsolete forever because of mechanization, the only two remaning are low brains/low pay and high brains/high pay, drivers or doctors or lawyers.  Those are all on the chopping block now.  By 2030 we'll need to shift to an entirely new social paradigm and we need forward-thinking leaders to help guide us towards those changes.  And the current state of politics means that's probably not going to happen.  The seemingly "Radical" but actually very old ideas of Bernie Sanders are a salve compared to what we need to do as a society to prepare for that massive upheaval.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and that article really helped solidify things, and so many of our social structures are just the best way we have of keeping score.  Money, the electoral college, and so on are only there because we couldn't get more dependable, malleable data, but soon we'll be able to.  We're going to get to the point... sooner than we expect... that we won't have money because we'll have a computer keeping track, making sure we live within our means but also that we're provided for, where our economy is self-correcting, where our traffic is efficient because we're not driving (no more traffic jams), we probably won't need as many of our politicians because they all run on providing solutions that SOUND good and we'll be able to get solutions that can be demonstrated to work (we could vote on desired outcome and desired course of action and see the effectiveness of it while we do it).  There's all this tech about to happen that can make our lives easier, but if we don't prepare for it, it could be used to control us.  The way the working people have been bent over by corporations and politicians with sh1t like NAFTA and the TPP (which Clinton says she's against, cause she wants votes, but I guarantee she'll vote for because what are WE gonna do about it?), that seems like a stark inevitability.  That kind of power by people in control means they won't lose control.  I don't want to sound like an alarmist or conspiracy theorist, because this all sounds like science fiction, but it's not.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 19, 2016, 04:55:29 pm
Dayuuuuuuuum... Look at who's doing the deep thinking.

This deep learning, is that at all like the large number analytics I'm hearing about. Today we gather info about every conceivable thing, but just now trying to wrestle with this info and apply it ways unimaginable.

I may be deriding you comments.

I think American society has been naive and shallow when it comes to politics and business. Look, most Americans may vote for someone they like to look at. Or just immediately agree with whatever these politicians say. But I think, in general, most middle America is getting smarter. So after this Trump period, wether he gets nominated or elected, if we will continue to scrutinize politics or fall back into the ol system.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 19, 2016, 05:17:36 pm
I think there are a lot of factors that are going into middle America being more astute this time around and a lot of it has to do that the failed Obama administration for the past 7 years. As you pointed out Mac, a good chunk of people voted for him because he was young and not the typical career politician that swims in DC. Given how awful he has been, factored in the idea of Clinton continuing his policies, suddenly you have a lot of people taking notice to not let that happen for another 4 years of the same sh*t. The only problem to that is we have Trump or Cruz as our alternative on the other side of the table. I've never seen so many dreadful candidates in one year. It's pathetic. And now we are going to pay the price, regardless who gets into the White House.

FYI, good post Neumatic.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 20, 2016, 05:24:55 am
I would pose the question, have we had any good potential candidates for president in 20, 30, 40 years?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 20, 2016, 06:13:44 am
I would pose the question, have we had any good potential candidates for president in 20, 30, 40 years?

Good point.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 20, 2016, 06:49:22 am
Trump protester punched, kicked at rally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljE0ZjSYvCY

Brutal beat-down.
Is this the norm now?
Sigh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on March 20, 2016, 07:26:27 am
There's so many things wrong with this violence at rally's. Trump not saying anything, says to me this is acceptable. This just may be one of those things that will reveal the truth about Trump. His loud mouth, and in this case, loud silence, may just bite him in the ass.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 24, 2016, 08:20:26 am
So now the Presidential race is about Melania and Heidi? Seriously, what is this sh*t? Might as well just call it The Real house Wives of the 2016 Campaign since this is all the news channels are talking about the past 24 hours. Sheesh. Cruz and Trump just need to go away.....and take Clinton and Sanders while your at it. And Kasich too.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on March 24, 2016, 09:25:44 am
Wouldn't that put John Bonehead... I mean John Boehner in control?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 24, 2016, 11:09:03 am
In control of what? Reality TV programming?  :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 06, 2016, 04:19:14 pm
I'm gonna make a wild prediction here right now just so that I can come back to it and say "told ya so!" This is what I see happening, Trump will not only win New York, he's going to crush Cruz so badly that he won't even get one delegate. When this happens, Cruz will internally come to the realization (if he hasn't already) that he can not and will not reach the magic number before the convention. Once this happens, he is sure to have an epiphany that there is no way in f*cking hell anyone will nominate him at the convention as the alternate. He is universally hated by everyone that is "backing him right now". This isn't an endorsement. It's just a way to stop Trump. If and when he admits this to himself, he will pull Trump aside and tell him that he will concede the race so that Trump can win outright in exchange for the VP slot. Now most people would say that they would NEVER team up together. But you have to factor who we are talking about. Trump would absolutely agree to a Cruz VP if it meant locking up the Nomination before the convention and Cruz would do ANYTHING to get into the White House....even as a lowly VP. He knows he is hated, so why wouldn't he do this just to spite his mythical 'Washington Cartel'. Trust me, this is EXACTLY how it will unfold.

Mark.
My.
Words.

Scary sh*t when you think about those two in the White House together. Ugh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 06, 2016, 05:00:23 pm
Trump's ego is way to big. Cruz... Never. Trump is going to populate the White House with unknowns and no one that would be a conflict for him.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 06, 2016, 06:09:34 pm
Trump's ego is way to big. Cruz... Never. Trump is going to populate the White House with unknowns and no one that would be a conflict for him.

Yes, he has an ego and it's that ego that would propel him to make a deal with Cruz. See, if Cruz stays in the race, Trump will not get the nomination and everything after that is a moot point. Can't populate the WH if he is not in there. So, as much as he hates Cruz, he hates the idea of losing. Cruz knows he won't get the nom either. For them to team up is a Win-Win for them and a Lose-Lose for America.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 07, 2016, 09:39:29 am
Good points. My only point is this election cycle has rarely seen the likes of these process and procedures and I would hate to make a bet on any future outcome because it's taking so many twists and turns... and we STILL have 7 more month

As expected, this process started way to early. I wonder what the status of the general population is like. Because I think most of the middle have been sitting on the sidelines not getting involved. It just wears on you this constant circus. It also ****es me off to think votes don't count with super delegates, coin tosses, caucuses, etc. I hate the whole electoral college process.

My one glimmer of making a nod to trump is telling the establishment... no more. Things have to change. I just hope we don't over compensate and swing way back to something unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 21, 2016, 11:26:22 am
Oh dayum.... didn't even expect this.

Joe Walsh bows out of Cleveland show because of association with RNC

Quote
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Legendary rock guitarist Joe Walsh has withdrawn from a July concert in Cleveland after he learned the event was associated with the opening of the Republican National Convention.

Walsh released a statement Wednesday on his website saying he was told the July 18 show was a nonpartisan event to benefit families of veterans. He said he learned Wednesday it was a launch for the RNC and that the event would be used to raise money "convention-related purposes."

"Therefore I must humbly withdraw my participation in this event, with apologies to any fans or veterans and their families that I may disappoint," Walsh's statement says. "I was misled as to the event's true purpose.

"I am very concerned about the rampant vitriol, fear-mongering and bullying coming from the current Republican campaigns, it is isolationist and spiteful. I cannot in good conscience endorse the Republican party in any way. I will look at doing a veteran-related benefit concert later this year."

Walsh, known for his work with the Eagles, James Gang and as a solo artist, is still scheduled to appear at Blossom Music Center with Bad Company and Steve Rodgers on June 26.

The Republican National Convention runs from July 18 to 21 in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 25, 2016, 08:40:28 am
Watching Kasich giving his excuses this morning for teaming up with Cruz to throw designated states all in the effort to stop Trump was really infuriating. To say that I'm p*ssed right now is an understatement. I'm not p*ssed because I support Trump, I don't. I don't support any candidate on either side. No one is worthy of my vote this year. What infuriates me is that Kasich has always come across as being entitled to the Presidency. Furthermore, the fact that he now trust Cruz says A LOT about his lack of foresight, something a President needs in great abundance.

So, Kasich has been slamming Cruz for the past 6 months about how shady, sneaky and corrupt he is as a politician and yet, out of the blue he is going to trust Cruz now? Kasich loves to use stories in his Town-hall to make his point as to why people should vote for him. Either he has never heard of the Frog and the Scorpion story (or he is choosing to omit it), but there is a lot to learn from this tale. Once Kasich bails on Indiana for Cruz to lock up, he is in for a rude awakening when Cruz reneges on his promise to concede Oregon and New Mexico. Cruz will not step aside. It's in his nature to f*ck Kasich over even if winning those states does nothing to benefit him. It's in his DNA. It's his nature.....just like the Scorpion.

Why am I p*ssed? The fact that both candidates will do and say anything to get the White House at any cost, especially disenfranchising the voters is what is making my blood boil right now. Because both Cruz and Kasich have taken this route should immediately disqualify them from remaining in the race. They are not worthy and the voters have already spoken: WE DON'T WANT EITHER OF YOU STUPID DUMBF*CKS!!!! If it does go to an contested convention and it goes to Round 2, all bets are off and the RNC would already know that the bulk of Trump supporters will not vote. There will be no unification and if that is the state we end up in, then why would anyone decided to nominate either Cruz or Kasich? THEY WON'T!!! The RNC knows that their only option left would be for a 'White Knight', which Cruz and Kasich are too blind to see. IDIOTS!!!!!

One last thing. I said that no one has my vote and that I don't support anyone. That can change, but that one person is going to have to win me over and so far, no one has. I want to vote this year. I've never sat out the option of being able to vote for someone into the White House and I would like to keep that streak unbroken. But the way things are right now, I can't in good conscious vote for anyone that's left if I deem them more of a threat than someone that can actually bring good to the Oval Office.

Rant Over


.......for the time being.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 25, 2016, 10:07:18 am
I'm telling ya... I think lots of people are going to come to this a realization like yours, at the time gets closer. I'm in the same boat.

I was just reading this about this collaboration. It's obvious both are no longer under the illusion they have a chance (uh Bernie, you want to join this realization). To me, I think it's quite clear how the GOP is severely screwed up. They built this 'empire' and now don't know how to lead it, control it or even agree with it. Good luck with that.

I am so gonna hate this election.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 27, 2016, 01:32:38 pm
A Cruz / Fiorina ticket. What a f*cking joke this is. What in any reality does picking someone that never broke 5% of the National Poll make sense? What exactly is she going to bring that's going to save him or this country. I'm laughing my ass off right now. Now just watch, Trump will drop a big announcement sometime today that will change the news cycle. My money is on Rubio endorsing Trump or something of that nature. Yes, I said Rubio. Now, with that said. Cruz needs to shut the f*ck up. He is rambling on for half an hour already talking about Fiorina. Now no longer laughing. Falling asleep.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on April 27, 2016, 03:15:30 pm
Why am I not surprised. What a cartoon.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 30, 2016, 08:04:14 pm
Been watching the White House Correspondence Dinner tonight and OMG, Larry Wilmore was AWFUL! Seriously is was f*cking embarrassing of EPIC proportions. If you didn't catch it live, prepare to hear everyone commenting on how bad he was. I was expecting Larry to bring it and he failed. You could hear a pin drop through most of it. Even though I can't stand Obama, he was way funnier than Larry. He schooled a professional comic. The kicker was Larry dropping the N-Word toward Obama. Just stunned.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 10:34:20 am
Ted Cruz in meltdown mode. That was fun to watch!!! This entire week has been a meltdown from his team up with Kasich, only to have it fall apart a few hours later. Cruz nominating Fiorina which turned out to be a punchline for Late Night and rightly so. Cruz confronting Trump supporters yesterday and being mocked to his face. Cruz watching Fiorina falling off the steps (which sums up his entire campaign). Cruz's Spanking comment directed at a 10 year kid. But watching him blow up just now was surreal. I really want him to get blown out of the water today in Indiana because I want him gone. I want him to drop out so I never have to listen to him....pontificate each and every thought of his. I never want to see that face again. EVER! Go away!!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 03, 2016, 01:37:00 pm
So whatcha keeping in Chip... I mean it sounds like you have something on your mind and your just not expressing it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 02:53:46 pm
I'm being diplomatic.  ;)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 05:43:57 pm
Yay!!! Cruz officially drops out! It's about damn time!!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 03, 2016, 05:52:33 pm
That makes Trump the nonimeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  That's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 06:07:52 pm
I'm not worried about that. My money is on a 3rd Party run. Who that is? Don't know. I suspect that Mitt Romney will run as an "Independent" which I've always suspected was his plan. The other factor that will play into this is that Bernie Sanders is more likely to run as an Independent as well, which would definitely take a huge chunk of votes away from Clinton, which I'm all for. Whatever happens, this has been the nuttiest, most insane Presidential campaign I have ever witnessed and I may not even vote because there is no one I can support. Go figure. It's a wait and see for me. Who runs and if certain people can actually win me over and earn my vote.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 03, 2016, 06:56:25 pm
Eh, both parties need a reboot anyway.  Proper Conservatives need a party of their own so they can cut apart from the tea party crazies, the liberals need a party to distinguish themselves from the sell-out lite-Republican Democrats, and the moderates need a party so they can have sensible candidates instead of the least objectionable options.

If there was an actual proper viable Conservative out there (not an obstructionist bathroom-controlling whiner) I could use for an example, I would give you a little mock-up.  But basically:

Conservative (Preservation?) Party: Conservative Carl, the hypothetical competent Republican
Grand Republican:  Trump, Palin, Crazy
Democratic:  Clinton, Obama, etc
Democratic Socialist:  Sanders, Trudeau and a fair amount of Europe

Honestly, the Republican Party is in such a shambles right now that if they want to remain viable, they should consider splitting.  How long can they hope to keep getting elected when they do NOTHING and fix nothing in an age where we need fast, decisive action?  The Democrats are so passionately split as well with the Sanders/Clinton divide that even if they do support Clinton if it comes to it, they won't feel any long-lasting debt to the party.  So that split is coming, I'm relatively sure, even if it doesn't happen before November.

This is sort of like the phone company breaking up, we kind of need it.  Politics is a monopoly, and we in America don't like them.  The parties are too big to fail, and much like the banks, it's the people who pay for it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 07:02:04 pm
Well said Neumatic.  :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 03, 2016, 08:16:21 pm
How did I not see this picture until AFTER Cruz dropped out?

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/212178/story_image/Facebook_ted_cruz.jpg?1455925715)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 03, 2016, 09:37:20 pm
Hahahaha
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 04, 2016, 05:26:43 am
Cruz dropped out

Bernie beat Clinton in Indiana


'Nough said
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 04, 2016, 05:46:47 am
I have to point out that with Cruz dropping out, that in itself solidified what is wrong with him and politician's in general. He constantly beats everyone over the head that he is "in it until the convention", really driving that sentiment over and over before the polls closed and as soon as Trump is declared the winner, he drops out. The thing is, nothing changed from before or after the announcement. Cruz knew he was going to lose Indiana, yet he keeps telling people one thing and does the opposite afterward. A true politician to the very end. No wonder the 'Lyin' Ted' moniker fit him perfectly.

As for Sanders, that was the race I was paying close attention to. Do I support Sanders? No. But I sure got a kick out of him beating Clinton, that's for sure. At one point, he was behind by over 3k votes early on and by the midway point he was able to even it out. As soon as he did that, I knew he had the night won. Would have been nice to be a fly on Clinton's wall as he face went ashen white when she realized she just got her ass handed to her again by him. I really want to see a contested convention on the democrat side. That weakens their party should it drag on and on which will alter the General in a big way.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 05, 2016, 05:09:46 pm
Paul Ryan Vs. Donald Trump. When Reince Priebus came out soon after Trump won Indiana declaring him the presumptive nominee and that everyone needed to coalesce and get behind Trump, we all just assumed that the bulk (if not all) Republican's in the highest office would do so.  I was stunned when Ryan popped up on CNN today and said he would not be backing him. Wow. I already said this was the nuttiest campaign ever, but this just takes it to a new level. This is a game of 'Chicken' now. So, who blinks first? Ryan or Trump?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 05, 2016, 09:11:20 pm
Ryan? WTF? How does he even matter?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 05, 2016, 09:16:44 pm
Ryan? WTF? How does he even matter?

It matters because now Clinton can use that in ads or more to the point in debates and say "why would you vote for him when even his own party rejects him". It writes itself.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 07, 2016, 05:13:19 pm
This photoshop job is goin' around the internet, and I thought it was good enough to share: this is what Donald Trump would look like without the toupee or fake tan.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch4ZnP0UoAAAywx.jpg:large)

You know, for context.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 07, 2016, 05:30:54 pm
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Now if the f*cking protester were smart enough, they would have this image blown up into huge placard signs. Imagine a sh*tload of these Old Man Trumps walking back and forth in front of *insert venue Trump is speaking at*.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 09, 2016, 11:54:29 pm
Jon Stewart talks Donald Trump and our continued national descent into madness, while at the University of Chicago Institute Of Politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnbcn7mZ14

Quote from: Jon Stewart
“I’m not a constitutional scholar, so I can’t necessarily say, but are you eligible to run if you are a man-baby, or a baby-man? He has the physical countenance of a man and a baby’s temperament – and hands. He is the most thin-skinned individual … When was America great? What is this time that he speaks of? ’81 to ’82? And who took your country away from you? At this point I would vote for Mr. T over Donald Trump.”
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 10, 2016, 03:50:43 am
Good, interesting stuff. Thanks.

I remember "FuckFace Von ClownStick"... Awesome.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 10, 2016, 11:14:14 am
Ugh!

Cruz is now saying that if he wins Nebraska today, he will in fact re-enter the race. This guy is delusional and desperate.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 10, 2016, 02:58:09 pm
Cruz and the GOP have 6 more months to think and try out crazy desperate stuff
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 10, 2016, 10:17:35 pm
With nothing happening on the Republican side since Oompa Loompa is the presumptive nominee, all that is left to watch is the Democrats and by that I mean watching Sanders. Watching him win WV tonight was hilarious because he is f*cking it all up for Clinton. I take great joy in knowing this is driving her nuts and giving her sleepless nights now. I want to see Sanders win from here on out and weaken Clinton even more. I'm very very happy right now.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 11, 2016, 07:40:15 am
Heidi Cruz compares her husband’s failed presidential campaign to the fight against slavery (https://www.yahoo.com/news/heidi-cruz-slavery-comments-130841075.html)



For those that rejected Cruz and the idea of him running our country and our lives, rejoice. Talk about dense and idiotic. Heidi just proved what we already knew: that she is unstable (flashback to her being seen on the side of the highway having a very public meltdown). I could and should have also posted this in the Idiot Thread for obvious reasons.

Shaking my head in disbelief.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 11, 2016, 09:40:53 am
I think it's clear after reading that, the Cruz's are that unique mindset that they fully believe in and don't see the problem their values conflicting with just about every 'normal' person out there. They live in their own little family unit of politics and religion and opinions.

I see it with Trump and Clinton and all the other politcal members too. The Cruz's just ooze their world from every pour. And unfortunately are dumb enough to socialize it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 13, 2016, 07:17:11 pm
An interesting idea about Using an old Whig Trick (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/stop-donald-trump-trick-whigs-1836-213890#ixzz48YYLsTZH) that would allow the Republicans to thwart Donald Trump. Interesting... though oh man, if people were annoyed at the Supreme Court picking Bush in 2000, the public backlash against Congress picking the President now would be insane.  It would be the ultimate proof people need that politics are basically fixed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 13, 2016, 07:26:57 pm
I'm all for anything that takes out both Trump and Clinton. Even if this trick is specifically aimed at Trump, I'm on board for anything that will also keep Clinton from winning as well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 13, 2016, 08:18:35 pm
This would destroy the GOP.

I'm seriously sick of politics. They are in it for themselves. Screw Joe plumber.

People may be mezermerized by the clown show, but as we get closer to election, people are gonna have to wake up and understand the reality of the viable election choices. As it stands, I can't stand any of them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 13, 2016, 08:19:50 pm
I can't stand any of them.

Word.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 13, 2016, 08:29:46 pm
WTF are we gonna do? Seriously, I think we are in the majority here with tons of people pissed at the options.

I'm seriously concerned as to what I would do at the polls.

The lesser of evils attitude, just frustrates the hell outta me
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 13, 2016, 08:43:18 pm
Here's the problem. It's not the candidates. It's the people continually voting for the worst possible option there is. I'm telling you right now, the same people voting for Clinton and Trump are the same people that purposely voted week in and week out every year for the worst singer on American Idol. They just want to wreck everything for the sake of doing so and get a kick out of it. I doubt that if Reagan or Kennedy were to run in this day and age they would even register at all. So, there is no White Knight that can come in and save us all, which is just distressing to think about.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 15, 2016, 05:24:19 am
EVERYBODY SUCKS 2016

http://youtu.be/ijW5zYBsblA

Gawd, we missed out on a goldmine. We've been saying this. Some guy(s) started printing and selling these. They can't keep up with orders. And there's 6 more months. They are going to make some $$$ on a very simple idea.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 17, 2016, 06:08:51 pm
Megyan Kelly had a special tonight with some 'celebrities'.

The long segment with Donald Trump is only going to catapult him higher. He game off as humble and human. He has regrets and made mistakes and he explains himself.

I'm not endorsing. Just making an observation. I don't think he was negative. People who 'hate' Trump will continue too. People on the fence might see something new.

Hillary has to be nervous.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 17, 2016, 06:10:14 pm
It's 6pm here and doesn't air for another 2 hours. I have been waiting patiently for this all day. As for Megyn, she has been all over Fox News today and yesterday hyping her Special and it's working.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 17, 2016, 07:46:00 pm
I thought it was good...

...until the last two minutes. Seriously, rolling my eyes
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 17, 2016, 08:02:00 pm
Personally, I'm waiting to see the interview with Trump hosted by John Miller, that will be something to see.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 17, 2016, 08:04:01 pm
? ? ? When is that?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 17, 2016, 08:07:30 pm
Chip, do you wanna explain who John Miller is or should I?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 17, 2016, 09:13:34 pm
Chip, do you wanna explain who John Miller is or should I?

BEST. PR.  W H O R E . EVAH!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 17, 2016, 09:35:29 pm
You know, I heard John Miller used to go out with Manti Te'o's ex girlfriend.  (Yeah, I'm reaching BACK for a joke)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 17, 2016, 09:49:06 pm
John Baron kicks John Miller's ass.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 17, 2016, 09:57:20 pm
Curse you, John Barron!

(http://web4.hobbylinc.com/gr/buf/buf2554.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 17, 2016, 09:58:32 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 18, 2016, 05:48:41 am
Someone please explain why releasing Tax Returns as a Presidential Candidate isn't a mandatory requirement. It makes sense to have it on the books that the day you announce you are running for the highest office, you are to release you TR's to the American people. If you don't, you are automatically disqualified. It would eliminate this "will he or won't he" sh*t.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 18, 2016, 10:02:15 am
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Someone please explain why releasing Tax Returns as a Presidential Candidate isn't a mandatory requirement. It makes sense to have it on the books that the day you announce you are running for the highest office, you are to release you TR's to the American people. If you don't, you are automatically disqualified. It would eliminate this "will he or won't he" sh*t.

I just don't think it's high on most people list of priorities. Revealing Tax returns tells us what? Unless there is something uniquely fishy about Tax Returns, it means very little. I think the most we will learn is Trump was off on how much he's worth.

I place knowing Tax Return info right up there with Birther info.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 23, 2016, 08:23:55 am
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Primaries and Caucuses (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S2G8jhhUHg


The absurdities of Primaries and Caucuses broken down only in the way that John Oliver knows how.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 23, 2016, 09:42:48 am
Loved it. The first comprehensive look at the ridiculous system. As John points out... it use to be you would be frowned upon if you stated you didn't vote because your one vote doesn't matter. Today... and even back then... that is how it works.

Now it seems more clear... why would I go vote?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 26, 2016, 09:57:47 am
How is it the Clinton's are made of teflon. Why hasn't Hillary Clinton been indicted yet? What connections do they have?

Hillary Clinton's shrinking email defense (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/opinions/clinton-email-server-ig-report-opinion-cox/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 26, 2016, 10:15:29 am
The reason why she has protection is because those in her inner circle or are tied to her in some form or another will suffer from prosecution as well. So it's in their best interest to keep her out of the cross-hairs. Self-preservation. The reason why no one really believes she will be indicted is because it's in Obama's interest to save her, not because he believes she is innocent, it's because he is complicit in her circumventing the law. He is on record saying that he sent her emails to her "account" and server. That right there is the smoking gun. Because her account didn't end in a .gov extension, he knew he too was breaking the law because the chain was broken. So, for his administration to indict her would also shift focus on him and that isn't going to happen.....as much as I want to see it happen.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 26, 2016, 10:23:23 am
{groan}
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 26, 2016, 11:04:45 am
The one thing that really annoys me is that Hillary, along with her crony puppets always use the excuse that other previous SoS had their own personal emails. The fact that she / they just keep going back to this over and over so as to delegitimize the severity of what she did isn't the issue. She went ahead and got her own server. Trying to just pin it all on emails is not going to save her. It's only half the problem. Sure, other SoS may have had their own email accounts, but I assure you, none of them had their own Servers which was created for the sole purpose of hiding from FOIA inquiry. I really wish the media and reporters in general would just focus on this and hammer this over and over to get her to give out a reason for doing this. She can't. And that's why she focuses exclusively on emails to confuse the American public that may still be in the dark about this type of technology. The media needs to do a better job in their followup questions. I'm tired of these liberal reporters giving her softball questions and just dismissing asking her all together with regards to her Server. Rachel Maddow is the worst of the worst when it comes to this. She is so far up Clinton's ass, I'm surprised she doesn't run for her in her place.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 26, 2016, 10:43:19 pm
Trump-Sanders debate would be Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-sanders-debate-hillary-clintons-144023097.html)


I really want to see this happen, not because I think it would be an excellent debate, it won't be. I want to see it happen because this would drive Clinton up the wall. If this does in fact happen, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that Trump and Sanders made some sort of deal to just bash Clinton for 2 hours with the occasionally jab at each other. The idea is to mortally wound Clinton to the point that the damage is so severe that she would have to drop out of the race which is something they both want.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 27, 2016, 03:15:14 am
Agree... Clinton has to be nashing her teeth just with Sanders. She will have a long of struggles ahead of her. Trump too.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 27, 2016, 11:17:40 am
Mr. Drumpf is scheduled to speak tonight in San Diego. I would attend if not for the fact that I've been barred from ever stepping foot inside the SD Zoo.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 27, 2016, 03:06:49 pm
Trump is speaking at the Convention Center today. Massive crowd of protesters outside. They better not burn the Convention Center down or we won't have any place to host Comic Con.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on May 27, 2016, 08:58:11 pm
It's a shame you didn't go, you could have told your grandkids about how you were witness to one of the most genuinely stupid things ever said by a politician ever, namely Donald Trump's solution to the drought being "to open the water up."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 27, 2016, 10:20:47 pm
I actually talked to my Mom after the fact about how I blew it by not having foresight to go today. Not because I wanted to make a profound statement, but because it dawned on me that I could have done one thing there that would have gotten all Cameras pointed at me. I'm talking CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.... would have been all over me. I would be asked to go on their shows to do interviews. It would have been a brilliant move with what I thought of after the fact. Oh well, maybe in 4 years when he is up for reelection I will try my secret photo op thingy. *Shudders*
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 28, 2016, 10:12:28 am
So, Trump Vs Sanders debate is a no-go. But it's Trumps "excuse" as to why is bullsh*t. Simply put, Trump is a p*ssy. He knew he would have gotten destroyed publicly by Sanders had they gone head to head instead of bashing Clinton. You know who the big winner in this is now? Yup, Clinton. Ugh! I can't remember what channel I was watching yesterday, but there was a discussion that they don't even think a Trump Vs Clinton debate will ever happen which totally shocked me. I was under the impression that debates were mandatory. They are not.

They brought out examples LBJ and Nixon and another one that I'm failing to remember at this moment where they skipped debates all together and that all the debates we've gotten over the past 40 years has been up to the candidates. If TVC doesn't happen, I'm sure a lot of people are going to be p*ssed. I know I will. As I said, Trump is a p*ssy and I wouldn't put it past him to come up with another lame ass excuse to avoid her, which would be the dumbest thing he could ever do given how flawed and damaged she is. You gotta go for the kill and put her out once and for all if you are really serious about becoming President, which I still don't think he is. I'm still of the mindset that his whole campaign is nothing but a $1 bet with one of his friends. Probably Bill.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 29, 2016, 04:03:35 am
Trump v. Sanders would not benefit Trump. I can see his reasons. It definitely would be crippling to Clinton. Sanders would benefit... Maybe.

I was not aware debates were a choice especially at this stage of the game. I think there would be way to much pressure on either candidate. I think everybody, and I mean every one, is drooling to see The Showdown
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 31, 2016, 08:49:44 am
Trump's press conference just now regarding where the Vet's Money went was a f*cking joke. If there was anyone still on the fence of whether or not to support him, I'm sure this is the tipping point. He looked like an idiot and sounded like a 3rd grader.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on May 31, 2016, 09:34:21 am
Quote
Trump's press conference just now regarding where the Vet's Money went was a f*cking joke. If there was anyone still on the fence of whether or not to support him, I'm sure this is the tipping point. He looked like an idiot and sounded like a 3rd grader.

As he always does.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 31, 2016, 09:36:51 am
Touche.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 02, 2016, 11:17:01 am
Crooked Hillary is speaking in San Diego in a few minutes. I can't get out of the City fast enough!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 03, 2016, 09:15:55 am
 ;)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 04, 2016, 11:45:25 am
I like this a little better than 'Everyone Sucks 2016"

(http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/xl/giant-meteor-2016-bumper-sticker-xl.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 04, 2016, 11:49:39 am
I want both as a T-Shirt.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 04, 2016, 02:07:22 pm
I just ordered one on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Giant-Meteor-Funny-Presidential-Medium/dp/B01GCRSB28/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1465074259&sr=8-2&keywords=giant+meteor+2016)

I know it's only good for THE NEXT 6 MONTHS!  ;D

Then I'll just use it as a rag afterwards
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 04, 2016, 02:18:43 pm
Ha! Awesome!!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 04, 2016, 02:21:16 pm
See, that sort shelf life is why I never buy anything particularly topical.  I see cars around that still have W: The President stickers on them cause it's so fvckin' hard to get those things off.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 04, 2016, 03:53:53 pm
I still have a "Joe Walsh for President" shirt
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 04, 2016, 06:22:55 pm
I still have a "Joe Walsh for President" shirt

2020!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 04, 2016, 07:47:18 pm
Well, since it seems time and space are imploding, I'm thinking Kim Kardashian makes total nonsense sense.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 06, 2016, 05:22:37 am
You guys catch Trump / Jake Tapper interview yesterday? This was mind-boggling idiotic. I didn't think it was even possible for Trump to look even dumber than he already was and is. But what came out of his mouth was just more proof of how stupid he is. I really do believe he has a mental defect that he has never had diagnosed. I know longer fear him in the White House because he will not win. He's done. This is different from previous statements that elevated him. There is no coming back from this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 06, 2016, 09:43:43 am
didn't catch it. Wha' happened?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 06, 2016, 09:50:25 am
Donald Trump Interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, State of the Union, June 5, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89rckA5q0E

It hurts my head trying to put into words (if that's what you can call it) and make sense of his vile word vomit that comes out a million miles an hour. Just easier for me to post the interview. Tapper couldn't even get a word in edge wise. But then again, he failed as an interviewer with his final "question" which undermines his own credibility as a "reporter".You've been warned.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 07, 2016, 09:06:31 am
I'm not understanding something... well, I don't understand it all... but this has me thinking.

Right now, there is a lot of talk of poles taken, the outcome if an election took place today (June 2016).
+4% (+/- 9%): Clinton Over Trump
Neck and Neck: Clinton v. Sanders
+12%: Sanders over Trump

Clinton & Trump are pretty much universally hated and have set records on the lowest numbers ever, for support.

So... how did these two biggest, hated, losers become The Candidates? How did we get here?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 07, 2016, 09:16:19 am
Clinton supporters are steadfast and will vote for her, even if there were / are more qualified candidates out there. A lot of people have already "Donated" money into her years ago. They are locking up easy access to the WH. As for the common voters.....same thing but without money. They are just voting on name recognition. As for Trump, the average voter just wanted a true outsider and / or were just intent on voting for the most obnoxious person they could find just to f*ck the system over. In the end, we truly are f*cked in more ways than you can imagine.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 10, 2016, 01:21:03 am
OMG, there's a great article on cr acked.com, six reasons why Ronald Regan ruined the country and I can't link it because this stupid forum censors the word!  It literally won't let me use the URL.  How stupid is that?  Why does the board censor stuff like that?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 10, 2016, 04:30:23 am
Why does the board censor stuff like that?

You're not the only one that has complained about that. I've stated my objections as well to the creator of the forum software and the reason why he / she did it was as an unlock option. If anyone that uses the software wants to be able to have an uncensored version of it, it will cost money. It's a sh*tty way to make a buck for sure. I highly doubt anyone pays for that as I've seen a lot of other people voicing their dissatisfaction with this. I even incurred a temporary ban a couple of years ago on their site when I used common words to make my point at how asinine their 'word police' is.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 14, 2016, 09:53:00 am
Obama was in full-on meltdown mode just now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 14, 2016, 11:05:43 am
About what?

add edit: Never mind. I found out real quick.

Man, I've tolerated Obama, but his little speech just pissed me off. Seriously dude, what are you smoking.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 15, 2016, 10:12:46 am
No disrespect to any 3rd grader that happens to read this, but Trump has the education and intellect of one. Gawd, this guy is just beyond stupid. Listening to him talk right now at his rally is torture. Sure, he has always talked the same way for the past year, but damn, he is getting dumber with each passing day. I've had discussions with my Mom and we have come to the conclusion that he does in fact have a mental defect that has never been diagnosed properly. What exactly that is, I don't know. But yeah, there is definitely something wrong up there. With that said......


None of the Above 2016.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 15, 2016, 10:24:34 am
Brewster's Millions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

Ever since the start of this political cycle when the Primary kicked off, the one thing that kept popping up in the back of my mind was what Richard Pryor used as his slogan and it's 100% appropriate. It works and it sums up EVERYTHING that is wrong on both sides of the aisle. Ironically I haven't watched the movie since the last 80's. but the slogan has always stayed with me.

F*ck Trump
F*ck Clinton
F*ck Sanders

F*CK THEM ALL!!!!!

*Rant Over*

.....at least for 10 minutes anyway.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 15, 2016, 12:26:07 pm
Have we not shared Stephen Colbert's attempt at diagramming Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh_GFkdxwbQ

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say it.

And if you think that's overkill, Seth Meyers had more of his speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kygQLLhos5k

If you ever wondered what Hitler's speeches would sound like in English, they would sound like this.  Replace the energetic arm thrusts to those weird, dainty gestures Trump makes, and it's the same.  Chillingly the same.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 15, 2016, 04:38:04 pm
Just shoot me... If the election happened today, I couldn't do it. Sad thing, I don't see where that will change.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 16, 2016, 05:37:27 am
Mark my words, Trump will decline the nomination at the Convention. He will use the excuse that the GOP was not willing to "work with him", making it harder for him to "win". He will blame the GOP for whatever reason. But the fact will remain the same: he was NEVER going to win. He was never going to beat whoever the Democratic nominee turned out to be. And since his ego is so inflated, that's why he is ramping up his rhetoric to alienate as many people as possible, knowing full well the GOP would revolt and distance themselves from him. Trump needs an "out" and this is how he is creating it. He wants to be able to point the finger and blame someone else for the fact that EVERYONE hates him and would NEVER vote for him. He wants to create an excuse for quitting, that the deck was "stacked" against him. However he paints it, he was, is and will always be exactly what he calls everyone else.....a LOSER. Another reason why I feel he will decline is that he won't have any money. He needs donors to run a campaign and there is absolutely no way he will foot the bill out of his own pocket. A billion dollars at minimum. Do you really think he is going to raise even a fourth of that, let alone a billion? The guy is not as rich as he wants people to believe. Even if he did have the money, he still wouldn't use his own money. He is a cheap motherf*cker. He had to be shamed into donating the $1 Million that he promised the Vets a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 16, 2016, 10:01:49 am
Interesting perspective. Never thought of that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 16, 2016, 01:49:32 pm
Oh dear god I hope so.  Even with the unfortunate side effect that a TON of people will be disenfranchised this time around, first conservatives having NO nominee (which would probably force a system reboot of the party, which is desperately needs), and the second is the sizable pro-Bernie chunk of the Democratic party that understands the needs for progressive reforms.  I mean, let's be fair, even if Hillary struck a deal with Bernie regarding policy initiatives for supporters, she was probably NEVER going to honor that agreement, but the mission statement of the democratic party would have pointed in a more progressive direction, but that's not going to happen now anyway because she's already beating Trump by a wide enough margin.

Honestly, while my tune might change about Hillary after seeing her in action, it probably won't, and she seems like the last hurrah of the old system.  And with any luck, it'll be a good one, but the two-party system and the parties have just been showing their obsolescence for a while, especially in the last year, so I think Hillary will be the last of the Old Guard before the New Guard come in and Generation X and up start taking their place in the annals of power.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 16, 2016, 02:30:47 pm
The other thing I forgot to bring up in my previous post has to do with the GOP in general. Much has been said about how Trump has hijacked the party and that everyone has to "fall in line" if they want to win the General. In his mind that would make sense.....if he was a person worth supporting. He uses the threat of the 15 million voters he brought in during the Primary as his 'Trump Card' to strong-arm other Republican Governors, Senators, House Speaker, etc....to back him, or there will be "riots" at the convention. The fact that most (for awhile) were reluctantly endorsing their Republican presumptive Nominee never made any sense to me. Sure, he brought in 15 million, but last I checked, the minimum he would need in the General is in the neighborhood of 65 million. Now factor in his unfavorable's and you are left scratching your head wondering how he is able to constantly threaten the GOP. So, why are all the big Republicans protesting that they are "handcuffed" into backing him when the numbers don't favor a Republican win in November?

Do the f*cking math Paul Ryan. Look at it from the outside and you will see that there is no way Trump is going to win. Period. Just with this knowledge and only this should have snapped them out of their fog that they could and should dump him and refuse to vote for him in the first round. They need to look at this as a lost cause. Embracing this inevitable outcome should free them to finally pull the plug on him in spite of his "threats". Nominate someone else. Who that should be is irrelevant because it's already a loss anyway. They kill and embarass Trump on the grandest stage, get their White Knight and hope for the best and pull out a miracle. Remember, the party needs to just chuck those 15 million and try to appeal to those that never voted during the primary. Stop letting Trump, who has ZERO power from dragging you down when you still have a chance to cut him off at the knees.

All this is for naught anyway since he will decline and Romney (in spite of his "protesting" the last 6 months) will be dropped in as their White Knight as he gladly accepts the nomination.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 16, 2016, 03:30:26 pm
Given that he probably has zero chance of winning because of the last minute nature of his campaign, I wonder if R Money will actually do it.  He said he didn't want to run again after the Obama campaign, and it's a tough life to go through, especially if there's no chance of victory.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 16, 2016, 04:12:51 pm
He has no choice but to accept the nomination. He can't spearhead the Never Trump movement and then not step up to the plate, especially since they haven't been able to find anyone willing to do it thus far. Getting a lesser name nominee starts them off in a huge hole financially. Romney has name recognition and can lock up those big donors right out of the gate. You get Joe Schmo and I don't see that many people writing big checks for an unknown. Not that tough. He would only have to slug it out for 5 months instead of a year and a half.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 16, 2016, 05:26:11 pm
Vanity Fair suggests that Trump's end game might be his own media empire (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-tv-network), Trump News.  Makes sense, he's getting exposure on all the news programs, parlaying that into demand for his own channel spouting his own fascist views would be yuge.  Sarah Palin was thinking small with just a reality show.

If there's any silver lining to this, it's that like most of his empires, Trump News will go bankrupt quick.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 16, 2016, 05:57:39 pm
Trump News will go bankrupt quick.

^^This^^

As soon as you dropped the news about his "Empire", I started laughing. There is no way this succeeds. He will just be a slightly more famous version of Alex Jones. Only with shittier hair.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 17, 2016, 02:59:55 pm
I liked Seth Meyers idea to offer Trump a 13-episode commitment to a show on NBC where Trump plays the President,. b/c no one really wants him in power but at the same time, we really wanna know what he'd do.

And hey, according to CNN, the RNC is seeing if there's enough anti-Trump support to allow them to deny him the nomination (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/politics/reince-priebus-donald-trump-republican-convention/index.html), which... you know they have to.  I wonder if Trump would try to fight that with sheer force of will to sate his own ego, or if he'd bow out first so he can can control the narrative.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 17, 2016, 07:05:48 pm
A talk show clip, but still a very eye-opening look at who Trump thinks he is vs who he actually is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp6BIDCZRic
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 18, 2016, 05:05:47 pm
Trump Considering Speaking Off Site During His Own Convention (http://www.npr.org/2016/06/17/482547124/trump-considering-speaking-off-site-during-his-own-convention)


No one will ever make fun of his small hands and micro dick after this. He should be more concerned that he is now and will forever be known as a p*ssy. This guy literally has NO BALLS to show up at the convention. He is spineless, a coward and will do anything to avoid having to get on stage and speak. F*ck this piece of sh*t.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 18, 2016, 06:55:34 pm
All those speeches, 45 minutes each, all about ONE problem each, and I guarantee if you compiled the whole thing and sifted through it all, there wouldn't be one line of common sense or an actual, sensible proposal.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 19, 2016, 07:45:44 am
Think You’ve Got It Locked, Hillary? Meet Jill Stein. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-campaign-election-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-green-party-jill-stein-progressives-liberal-213972)

You can add a new entrant into what is already the nuttiest Political cycle ever. I have no idea who Jill Stein is, but I'm all for alternatives coming in and at least giving the people someone else to look at. I hate the idea of having to be choose from the 2 worst candidates ever. The more alternatives there are, the better off we are as a nation are.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 19, 2016, 08:04:19 am
It to little, too late. While I whole heartedly we need something different than this 2 party system, it just needed to happen earlier. We kind of reintroduced it with Sanders, and somewhat Trump. At the very least, people are thinking about it.

But ya know, just thinking about more, ANYTHING can happen. We still have lots of time for more twists and turns.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 19, 2016, 12:56:03 pm
Foreign Policy has an article up about Why Young People are Giving Up "Capitalism." (https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/16/why-young-americans-are-giving-up-on-capitalism/)  Nothing particularly news to me, but I appreciate how evocatively written the plight of the younger generation is, explaining exactly why the people feel disillusioned and disaffected by the world and politics at large, and how could anyone expect them to feel any differently?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 29, 2016, 06:09:49 pm
Wow, just.....wow! I just heard that Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch both met in secret on his plane. Naturally Lynch is claiming it was all "innocent" and has come out saying "we never talked about Hillary's email issues. All we talked about was about our grand kids". Bullsh*t!  Even if that were true (I don't believe it one bit mind you), but what they talked about is irrelevant in the eyes of public perception. Both knew that this meeting would get out and people would automatically start in with their conspiracy theories and rightly so. Everyone now sees the impropriety of this. The fact that it was "held in secret" is the first tip off that both knew exactly what they were doing and what the public would invariably think of it. She needs to recuse herself from her case immediately because if the FBI does in fact request that Clinton be indicted and Lynch refuses, people, if they aren't already aware of it now, will be crying "rigged system". Just.....wow.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on June 29, 2016, 07:39:00 pm
On top of that, have you heard about the case being brought up against Trump ---- a thirteen year old girl?  Incredible. I linked it, but like Cr6cked, the d6mn forum censored the link!   Can you imagine all those pro-Trump people trying to scrape those bumper stickers off their car if this turns out to be true?

You combine that with Hillary getting indicted (which i doubt will happen, but you never know), and you see why Sanders hasn't dropped out of the race.  Come November, he could be the only one on the ballot anyone's ever heard of!

(okay, that's not true, if Warren is Hillary's VP pick, then I imagine she'd get the nomination in a scenario like that... and I'd be more excited for a Warren Presidency than a Hillary one, or even a Bernie one).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 29, 2016, 07:39:56 pm
Lynch seems to take queues about lying quite blatantly from the Clintons.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on June 29, 2016, 07:41:33 pm
Good gawd, I'll repeat myself. What repellant choices we Americans will have to choose from.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on June 29, 2016, 08:42:41 pm
If our choices were already bad enough, we now have to deal with Stuart Smalley possibly factoring into all of this. Personally, I'll take Hanz and Franz as President/Vice President.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 04, 2016, 05:22:07 am
So if Trump became President, would he be able to fire the Vice President?

What are the powers of the president firing their cabinet?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 04, 2016, 06:07:19 am
Great question Mac. If you asked me this question 8 years ago I would said emphatically NO! But look at all the sh*t Obama has gotten away with with his Executive Orders circumventing Congress. So, who's to say what Drumpf could or would try to get away with should he be President. *Shudders*. Legally, he can't fire him and that's why Republicans are pushing for someone that has Political ties to Washington. Someone that can actually get things done in spite of Drumpf's own proclamation of being able to do just that. So, whoever Drumpf chooses as his VP is going to go along way in "uniting" the Republican Party and Drumpf knows this. It's also very important that whoever he picks is someone that can and will stand up to him. That's why I think that Newt Gingrich has the inside track for the VP slot over someone like Chris Christie who is nothing more than a doormat.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 04, 2016, 07:00:09 am
What little I've observed about Trump, I can't imagine anybody but him calling the shots.

Business wise, I imagine fellow business folks know who they are dealing with and work the gears accordingly. Politics seem to be a different animal. I just don't think Trumps business sense will work well with the political machine. Maybe a VP with a foot in the political world will help, but I see it like vinegar and oil, not mixing well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 04, 2016, 07:26:40 am
Let's also be clear for the record: Drumpf has ZERO business sense.  He has had multiple bankruptcies, his projects almost always fail, he's been sued tons of times for not paying contractors for work, and he literally would have made more money (almost twice as much as he has now, actually) if he had let the money his father gave him just accrue interest in the bank.  You know the phrase "a man born on third who thinks he hit a triple?"  Drumpf is a man who was born on third, then walked to second and convinced people that he was going the right way.

And even if he DID have business sense, government is not a business, and America is not a resource to be exploited.  People who try to run the government like a business almost always fail because the priorities of a business and a government are different.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 05, 2016, 08:18:24 am
This is bullsh*t! FBI is not going to indict Clinton. Rigged. Cover up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 05, 2016, 09:36:08 am
Unfreaknbelievable... my gawd. Anyone else would lose their job. Period. How do the Clinton's do it?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 05, 2016, 10:23:25 am
What I want to know is how Comey, with a straight face said "She acted in a reckless manner with regards to her email and National Security". Who drops a bomb like that and then follows it up with "we won't recommend charges". Seriously, what the f*ck. That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 05, 2016, 12:44:35 pm
Because being reckless is not a crime.  They're not bringing charges because the evidence is not weak enough to get any kind of conviction, and if they don't have a strong enough case to prove someone's guilt, there's no point in a trial.  Also, their point about an unsecured e-mail system might look bad in court considering the normal state department's e-mail was hacked, which they just announced (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cybersecurity-statedept-idUSKCN0J11BR20141117).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 06, 2016, 04:04:47 pm
Hillary Clinton’s Email Scandal Is Just The Start Of A Digital Security Nightmare (http://uproxx.com/news/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-foia/2/)

Not as incendiary as the title suggests, they actually goes into a rough timeline of the events (which puts a lot of the reasons and problems involved in the Hillary e-mail "scandal" into an understandable context) and the inherent flaws of e-mail.  A quick read, but I can't help thinking there's a big issue here, not what Hillary did, but how the whole system is completely insecure, how slow laws are to catch up, and what this all could be headed towards.  In other words, the article is all "the start of" and not "the digital nightmare."  Though anyone who talks about the digital nightmare would probably be labeled as an alarmist loon, until they're proven right.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 06, 2016, 05:30:55 pm
Interesting read. Still tells me, politicians think and live on a different plane than anybody else.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 06, 2016, 05:42:55 pm
And they do.  I'm sure it's partly ego, and partly because the rules and world politics takes place in is so absurd.  The mixture varies by person, of course.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 09, 2016, 03:23:32 pm
You know what blows my f*cking mind right now? As of yesterday, Shrillary Clinton is STILL harping to the press that she "neither sent nor received classified emails". Are you f*cking for real? You should be congratulating yourself for having bought your way out of another indictment and laughing at us behind closed doors in what you pulled off. You truly are above the law, but stop with repeating the same sound bite. You look foolish more so now than ever before when you keep saying sh*t like that as if you can finally convinced the American people that you were telling the truth all along that you were not able to do for the past year. Idiot.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 12, 2016, 08:02:15 am
This congressional hearing right now with Corrupt Lynch is a f*cking joke. Two things are p*ssing me off right now. First is Lynch isn't answering the questions as instructed. She keeps passing the buck to Comey with regards to why she didn't indict. I expected this and the way the whole week leading up to Comey's testimony just makes it clear that all of this was premeditated to allow her the wiggle room she needed when answering today. The other thing that is p*ssing me off is that every Democrat on the panel so far is asking her questions that don't pertain to Clinton at all. Their intent is basically to run out the clock by asking things that she "can answers" pertaining to gun control, etc...

So, yeah, this is a waste of time and furthermore just confirms that we do in fact have the most corrupt government on the planet. Obama, Clinton, Comey and Lynch are all involved in the most prolific circle jerk on the grandest stage ever. And you can throw Sanders in there as well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 12, 2016, 03:28:17 pm
Wow... Tell it brother
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 15, 2016, 04:25:44 pm
Article on Uproxx about how The Republican National Convention is broke. (http://uproxx.com/news/rnc-is-looking-broke/)  Not broken.  Broke.  They need six million bucks.  Remember, this is the party that claims to be good for the economy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 15, 2016, 11:09:36 pm
Have you not been paying attention? The RNC is going to make Mexico pay for the party.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 18, 2016, 06:56:15 pm
Seriously, if you haven't come across and read Tony Schwartz's New Yorker article talking about "the real Trump" and ghost-writing The Art Of The Deal, (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all?platform=hootsuite) you need to.  it is astounding.  I'm honestly amazed that a human being this shallow and incomplete could even exist, let alone ascend so high in our country.  He sounds like a living tempest, a perpetual storm of bullsh1t that wrecks anything it comes into contact with, and expects to be thanked for the improvements.  He doesn't read.  He can barely concentrate.  He can think of only one thing, his emotions and preferences can change with the wind.  It's astounding.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 18, 2016, 10:10:47 pm
It sure looks like Melania Trump copied her speech from Michelle Obama (http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/12221566/melania-trump-michelle-obama)

I watched Day 1 of the RNC Convention for most of the day and the one person I was looking forward to hearing from was in fact Melania. I thought she was the highlight of the day as she came across very well. And then the shoe dropped. Yep, looks like her speech writer blatantly lifted parts from Michelle's speech. Yeah, even though Melania said she "wrote it" with no help from anyone else, we all know that she has / had a speech writer do this for her. Just weird that Neumatic makes a post about how The Art of the Deal was written by someone else and how Trump takes credit for it and now this happens. Just.....surreal.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 19, 2016, 07:56:05 am
If there is anything to take away from Melania's speech from last night, it's this. We now have incontrovertible truth that time travel is possible. Michelle Obama is a time traveler. She jumped to the future (last night July 18, 2016), watched Melania give her awesome speech, took notes and then went back in time and passed it off as her own. Cue up Huey Lewis and the News........

 ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 20, 2016, 09:11:14 pm
Damn! I don't see how Day 4 of the RNC Convention can top what I just witness tonight. It was insane in so many ways. For starters, there were a lot of great speeches tonight. Take the politics out of it for a second and just listen to the speeches. A lot of red meat and it was great. One after the other delivered. I thought Eric Trump delivered a fantastic speech as did Newt Gingrich. But before either came out, there was the matter of Ted Cruz and his non endorsement. He started off great because the people in the crowd figured he was going to man up and stand behind Trump. It never came and that's when the crowd turned on him. Booed his ass off the stage. But the coup de grace was that Donald Trump was waiting in the wings to steal Ted's thunder and that's exactly what he did. Now, it's come out that Trump did in fact know about the non endorsement and the media if convinced that everything that happened tonight was orchestrated for the sole purpose of embarrassing Cruz. It all started with Trump buzzing Ted's speech earlier in the day during his own press conference. This was one fun night to watch. And yes, I thought that Pence's speech was solid. Like him or hate him, it was a good speech. Getting back to Cruz.....what he did tonight was political suicide. He is DOA as of now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 21, 2016, 03:45:42 pm
Five Thirty Eight.com has an interesting article about The End Of The Republican Party (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-end-of-a-republican-party/), Trump's place in it, how they could move forward and reinvent themselves, and the issues involved in trying.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 21, 2016, 09:03:37 pm
Donald Trump's acceptance speech tonight was insanely long and the worst part of it was that it was way to repetitive. He kept coming about to the same talking points time and time again. The speech was so long that the natives were getting restless. He blew it. He had the momentum that Ivanka handed to him which was a flawless speech and built him up in a big way and then he p*ssed it all away. By the end of his speech, I kept asking myself if he even knew how to end it because he looked like he was purposely extended his talking points because he just didn't know how to end it. The biggest misgiving tonight was that he was just talking to his base and not reaching out to expand the base and get crossover voters. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he could rise to the occasion and deliver a speech befitting the moment and once again.....he failed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 22, 2016, 01:13:39 am
Trump's speech fact check, courtesy of Fact Check.org. (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/factchecking-trumps-big-speech/?platform=hootsuite)  They've been covering the whole convention, and I will be linking relevant articles regarding the Democrats when their convention comes around.  I'll actually be interested in seeing Clinton's fact check more, b/c with Trump I think "well, I'm sure that's bullsh1t" (or I know it's bullsh1t), but Clinton I imagine it'd be more of a spectrum.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 22, 2016, 08:54:38 am
Why the f*ck is Drumpf STILL talking about Ted Cruz Father/JFK assassination plot? Seriously, WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY?! He is arguing about something that has NOTHING to do with running against Clinton. All is does is punch down, when he should be punching up. Gawd, this guy continues to infuriate me to no end with his stupidity.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 22, 2016, 04:09:53 pm
I'll be real interested to see the debates. He hasn't really run against Clinton yet, all he's done is win an unfair fight.  The Tea party purity nutjobs eviscerated the Republican party so much that there weren't remotely any viable candidates who could challenge him.  And the Never Trump position never stood a chance because they swore to never vote for Hillary, so exactly what power did they have?

This is why you want a strong primary season with strong, viable candidates.  It's like a crucible, you want a candidate forged through hardship and winning over their opponents and those with differing opinions to become a more rounded opponent.  Trump didn't have to work hard at all for this.  And I feel like Democrats were robbed of this as well, but you know what?  Hillary's been around since I was a kid and had to fight through thicker sh1t just because she's a woman.  I don't agree with the lady on a lot of things, but fvck is she tough.

The end result is that you've got a water reed going up against a samurai sword when it comes to an actual political battle.  He's a bully, a petty one, even now starting Super PACs to take down Cruz and Kasich even after securing the nomination (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-22/trump-would-fund-super-pacs-aimed-at-taking-down-cruz-kasich-iqybu9m1),  going against someone who doesn't stand down to bullies, and we all know how that turns out.  Right now, with the candidates shared unpopularity, it's hard to imagine them picking up a lot more supporters, but I can picture Hillary picking up more NeverTrumps than Trump picking up NeverHillarys.  It's going to be much easier for people to be impressed with Hillary than to be impressed with Trump when you put them in the same room.

Trump can't really fight Clinton on terms of experience, which is what she's running on, because there's no comparison.  Usually when you run a non-politician, you want them to have comparable experience in private life.  "Doing this has exposed me to this and this and that."  Bill Gates is a billionaire from Microsoft, but that gave him national and international business experience and expertise, he would understand trade because of it, he would understand the importance of a standard for business practices around the world and free trade and sh1t like that, but he also started the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation) and engaged in charity work around the world so he could have an understanding of the importance of peace and ambassadorships and international relations, etc.  That kind of thing.  You can see a continuity of thought, and what the hard work has taught that person, and that kind of experience IS acceptable as a substitute for experience in the political machine.

Trump is a brand.  He's kind of like Krusty the Klown, he slaps his name on a lot of stuff, loves the bluster, he's kind of a figurehead but delegates a lot of responsibility (which IS an important skill, and one he's apparently not very good at (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438079/donald-trumps-cheapness-harms-trump-brand)),and because of that his practical experience is pretty limited.  Hell, when searching for a VP, they said that the VP would be in charge of most domestic and foreign policy. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-most-powerful-vice-president)  He doesn't really have outside interests, he doesn't read, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-doesnt-read-much-being-president-probably-wouldnt-change-that/2016/07/17/d2ddf2bc-4932-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html) he's not curious about things, which are pretty important in a World Leader.  And, honestly, there's nothing wrong with that.  He likes to create businesses, to expand, that's his thing and more power to him, I guess, but that's not what a President does.

So he's not the kind of non-politician who can stack up against a career politician, but they do exist.

He's stuck using generalizations and code words because he can't attack Clinton specifically.  First is that he probably doesn't know the specifics (though I can imagine them being drilled into his head for the debates), but also because, similar to Jon Stewart's video last night, any character flaw he accuses Hillary of having, he possesses in excess.  You can't call someone else an elitist when you sit on a gold throne.  You can call her Crooked Hillary, but if you point to actual court proceedings, Hillary can point out that Trump has been involved in 3,500 lawsuits.  Thirty-five HUNDRED.  70 in the last year. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/).   Unemployment is down (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate) (although there ARE issues with how that number is ascertained (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/19/the-problem-with-the-labor-departments-unemployment-indicators)), but he can't bring that up without risking Clinton pointing out that Trump doesn't pay his bills (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/).  He can go on about doom and gloom, but relatively, things are fine  Even with constant gunmen going on rampages, crime is at a forty year low, immigrants are the least likely people to commit crimes, and more people have been killed by cows than radical Islam.  And you know these statistics will come up in a debate.  The doom and gloom, the horrible dystopia that the Repubs have spent the week ranting about isn't the present, it's their perception of the future under an inevitable Clinton presidency.  And they have to be fire and brimstone about it because really, the worst that will be is annoying.  I survived W, I can make it through Hillary.  And honestly, I'm not that picky about the person who rescues me from a dumpster fire.

via ****, b/c I couldn't just link it earlier: Everything is FINE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTU9-M7Zpbs

Okay, not ALL things are fine, but actual issues facing us sure aren't being addressed by the GOP.  There's no talk about system racism being a key factor in the police violence against black communities or the insane overpopulation of prisons, for example.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 22, 2016, 04:31:21 pm
Okay, I wrote a lot of stuff there, with a lot of sources, that, let's be honest, no one is going to click on, but there's one in there that's the newest that I will re-iterate here because it's rather telling and important.

Trump plans to fund Super-PACs to destroy Cruz and Kasich's political careers (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-22/trump-would-fund-super-pacs-aimed-at-taking-down-cruz-kasich-iqybu9m1)

WOW.  That is a whole other level of petty.



edit: more stuff coming out, this time on the democrat side, but a new entry turns the page on this thread and I don't want to short-shrift the entry above I spent an hour writing get lost in the shuffle.  All I was going to say is that I'm going to let actual news organizations (and not just bloggers) dissect the VP pick (Kaine) and the Hillary vs Bernie DNC e-mail leak (and navigate the murky morality of that).  It all sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 25, 2016, 07:31:30 pm
Interesting stuff happening, even before the Democratic Convention which sounds insane.  When there's analysis and commentary, I'll include.  The Bernie Or Bust insanity is annoying as hell, and I doubt they'll change their tune even after what we've learned about the e-mail hack, since, as John Oliver has proved; feelings are facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNdkrtfZP8I

I know this small band of loudmouths FEELS oppressed, but the obvious solution is to put a Democrat in office and hold her feet to the fire.  There are several issues I disagree with her about (TPP being a big one), and I don't like having to vote for her to keep crazy out of office, but I'll do it and vote down ticket.  The liberal wing of the party, which is needed for the Democrats to stay relevant, need to be active on a ground level, to build numbers in order to create pressure for their positions.  And they need Bernie to tell them that ("you voted for me, you supported me, I didn't get the nomination, but if you support my policies, here are the smaller races you should be focusing on."

Anyway, in the break time between conventions, I came across some interesting things.

The first is a fascinating article on Slate about Why there's so much hate for Hillary Clinton (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/the_people_who_hate_hillary_clinton_the_most.html)  I'll admit to being susceptible to this myself and being aware of that and TRYING to do a better job about it, to get rid of that bias and judge her as a candidate and not the baggage I've been saddled with over the past 25 years.

And even more fascinating was this incredible, complied list on Reddit or all places, all claims cited with multiple sources, about Why Trump qualifies as a fascist. (https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/)  I knew about a bunch of these, but others are just so shocking that they seem unreal .   It's the curse of the internet, how given we are to hyperbole, that when it's actually accurate, we can't use it.   And that's just attitude, it doesn't include facts I didn't realize like how Trump is blackballed from almost every US bank (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing) or how Trump would plan to delegate almost all his responsibilities to his VP. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-mike-pence-running-mate-domestic-foreign-policy).  Had I linked that, yet?

I'm glad I held off on commenting on the e-mail hack, because over the weekend it became clear that not only did the hack come from Russia, the files were manipulated (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack).  Incredible.  I wonder how this is going to play out, how do you even categorize what's happened there?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 25, 2016, 10:27:34 pm
Bernie Sanders: I'm proud to stand with her.

What a load of sh*t. At the end of the day, he is just another two-faced politician. What makes it worse is that he is willingly bending over and taking it in the ass and then saying "Thank you DNC, may I have another?".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 25, 2016, 10:44:22 pm
He's with her because she agreed to adopt some of his positions (one of the requirements for his delegates pledging her) and because he doesn't want Donald Trump to win.  You know politics is all about deals and compromises, right?  There's that old quote, "politics is the art of the possible."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 27, 2016, 10:19:40 am
Wow, Drumpf actually called out Russia on National TV and implored them to hack Clinton's email on his behalf. Seriously, what the f*ck. This is further proof that he is trying to throw the election. In a year full of surprises, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that on Election Day, with the polls showing that he could actually win, he would finally deliver on his proclamation and shoot someone on 5th avenue, hoping THIS will be the moment that tanks it for him. America is f*cked no matter who is in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 27, 2016, 01:23:39 pm
What's scary is that the polls show that he could win.  Even Michael Moore thinks he will. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html)  WTF, people?  If he wins, it'll be because of people who can't swallow their pride, get over themselves, and vote against him.  You don't get the ideal choice in elections, you only get the two options, and there si NO situation where Drumpf is the lesser of two evils.  And you know what?  There's nothing that says that Hillary would be a two-termer.  Heck, if the Republicans maintain control of the other two branches (which seems likely because no one's talking about those down-ballot elections), do you really think she'll be able to get anything done?  Look at all the bullsh1t obstructionism that Obama's been dealing with, especially in the last year.  What are you so fvcking afraid of?  Seriously, what policies does she have that are worse than what Drumpf has said he would do?

And BTW, Clinton could surprise you.  She could do something that makes you proud.  Drumpf can't, and you know it.

And this is a post-Brexit world.  No one thought that it would happen, so the young people, whose future depended on the vote, stayed home.  Now the UK is fvcked.  And it can happen here.  And it's close to happening here.  Get over yourself.  Your vote isn't sacrosanct, DC isn't pure, all you have to do is hold your nose and vote against a fascist.

I'd rather have a corrupt government than a fascist one.  Because corruption, inevitably, comes to light.  Fascists are harder to get rid of.

And you act like Hillary would be the first crooked politician.  What are you, high?  What about Regan, trading arms for hostages?  What about Nixon?  What about Bush?  Yeah, I'd like it to stop too, but it's not going to stop with that generation.  Maybe Generation X.  But doubtful.  Not being a pure candidate seems like a weak argument to me.

And while that might scuttle my next point, NONE of the former living US Presidents support Trump.  Not a one.  Kim Jong Un DOES. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S)  So does Putin, openly. (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/vladimir-putin-just-made-a-massive-donald-trump-announcement/).

Casting a vote for Clinton is not the same as supporting Clinton. (https://www.quora.com/If-I-dont-vote-for-Donald-Trump-will-I-be-effectively-voting-for-Hillary-Clinton)  But guess what?  No matter how few people vote, those electoral votes go to someone.  You have a LOT of flesh in the game, too much to hand your future over to Drumpf.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 28, 2016, 06:51:51 am
Out of all the speeches last night, Joe Biden crushed it. Easily the best of the night. One thing that stuck with me is that as I was watching / listening to him, I kept asking myself "Why isn't HE running for President?". I know why. It has to do with him dealing with the loss of his son. But as the speech went on, I said I'd cast my vote for him. He's everything that everyone that ran or is nominated is not.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 28, 2016, 09:38:31 am
i don't want to burst your bubble, but if we were in a parallel universe, and he was running for president, he would be like every other politician. It's the machine. Since he has no pressure... he's there for support, he is less prone to put on face.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 28, 2016, 10:00:03 am
It was amusing seeing everyone on Twitter turn into Leslie Knope while his speech was on.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 28, 2016, 10:20:15 am
Bubble was already popped. I'm just saying that given the option we have, he comes across more Presidential then anyone we have now. That is all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 28, 2016, 11:03:53 am
Failing that, and as much as I would LOVE this god-d6mn election to be over and to never hear Trump's fascist garbage again, the candidates are so unpopular, part of me was thinking "what would it take to just hit the reset button?"  Both parties, go back to your corners and bring out someone new, from the next generation (ie someone born in the 70s or 80s, not someone who was conceived on god-d6mn D-DAY!) and primary, I'm sure there are TONS of Republicans who would love a do-over and a chance to save their party.  Biden can run the show for 18 months or whatever, he'll be fine, he certainly seems to have a higher approval rating than either candidate, especially today.  2016 has been such a colossal clusterfvck by so many objective measures, it's almost like bring drunk: let's not make any important decisions until it's over.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 29, 2016, 03:38:13 am
I honestly believe that is the majority of people's thinking today.

A lot of folks, if they go to the polls, will be holding their nose, while pulling the lever. Not sure to many folks are thinking beyond that day.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 29, 2016, 05:01:02 am
I literally could not sleep last night because the idea that Drumpf is now being briefed on Classified information had me tossing and turning. Same goes for Clinton. Think about it. We are about to live in a World where we have one that kept servers in their bathroom and destroys information because of incriminating evidence against her and another that has an IQ and temperament of a 3rd grader. We. Are. F*cked.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 29, 2016, 07:19:26 am
Chip: relax.

I'll admit the idea of Drumpf getting a classified intelligence briefing has me a bit concerned, and the officials are more worried about Drumpf (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/candidates-poised-for-classified-briefings-despite-spy-agency-worries-over-trump/2016/07/28/865cd686-5500-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html) (no mention of Clinton), but the reports are just analytical summaries, "here's the state of things," (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-classified-briefings-226378) not who all the Jason Bournes in the field are and what they're up to.  Given that there's not much they can practically DO about things, the intelligence is limited.  It's mostly there to keep them from saying the wrong thing on the campaign trail, this is who not to p1ss off and sh1t like that..  It's basically skipping to the next chapter of the social studies book before the rest of us.

Basically, it's four hours of "hey, there's a tense situation developing in Ghana, so don't say sh1t about Ghana."

Also, don't forget that there are DEGREES of classified information, and that Clinton and Drumpf are NOMINEES, that's all.  It's higher clearance than us, but it's not POTUS level.  Even if Drumpf ran straight to Putin with the information, it's probably information Putin already had courtesy of his own intelligence agency.  You don't get to see the real sh1t until after you've taken the oath.  And Hillary Clinton was the Secretary Of State, these briefings are probably a step DOWN in what she's used to.  Her whole thing will be "is that sh1t still goin' on?" "Yep." "Who's screwing it up? Is it Jerry?" "I can't tell you that now."

And BTW, now that they're NOMINEES officially, they have Secret Service protection AND they're under that much higher level of scrutiny.  So there's an extra layer of protection there.

I'm also relatively sure that, given that this material is classified, that there would be serious consequences in the real world and to the political figures themselves for revealing it.  Since it's an in-person briefing, nothing is being transmitted via e-mail so that's Clinton taken care of (unless she reproduces information in e-mail or discussion, which I don't think she would b/c she's the only one who needs to know the info).  And if Drumpf says something in public or online (he doesn't really use e-mail), that produces evidence that can be used against him.  His Russia hacking comment, which doesn't fit the definition of treason, may have violated the Logan Act, but it's too obscure and unpredictable to use against him.  The kind of violation you're worried about would definitely be actionable.  And I'm certain that the people debriefing him will make sure he understands that, the way that the mafia makes sure you understands the terms of service when you borrow money.

One benefit of Drumpf being a known and consistent liar (he lies 76 percent of the time (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-21/fact-checking-website-donald-trump-lies-76-percent-of-the-time)) is that even if he does let something slip, odds are no one is going to believe him.

The only problem I can see is if Drumpf lets out information during a debate, then we'd have to see how Hillary handles that.  She's a lawyer, so she should be able to not touch that hot potato, but it would be the only instance I could see of them both failing this test at the same time.  How would we react.

And to further attempt to put Chip's mind at ease, here's the Media Matters breakdown of the Hillary e-mail fiasco. (http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913#noneclassified)  AND... I will straight up admit that this shocked me, fact checkers confirmed that Clinton is the most trustworthy of all the 2016 candidates (http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/),  despite her reputation.

Edit: ooh, pretty graph from Politifact illustrating that point:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoiFyxLUEAAusP2.jpg:large)

Although it would be nice to see some comparisons to figures we'd consider paragons of truth, I don't think Politifact goes back that far.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on July 29, 2016, 10:00:11 am
Who gives a flying flip about conventions. Colossal waste of money and resources. Not one single mind is changed by conventions.

The conventions are over; when do the presidential debates start?

Now that the presidential conventions are over, we can all take a break, sit back  and breathe.

The next logical question is, of course, “when do the presidential debates start?”

Glad you asked.

Here’s a quick guide to Trump vs. Clinton, and, at least on one night, Pence vs. Kaine.

The presidential debates

Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton will debate three times prior to Nov. 8, election day.

The first debate is Monday, Sept. 26, at Hofstra University on Long Island, N.Y.

According to the Commission on Presidential Debates:

“The first debate will be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate. The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. Candidates will then have an opportunity to respond to each other. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a deeper discussion of the topic.”

The second debate will be held at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., on Oct. 9.

According to the Commission on Presidential Debates:

“The second presidential debate will take the form of a town meeting, in which half of the questions will be posed directly by citizen participants and the other half will be posed by the moderator based on topics of broad public interest as reflected in social media and other sources. The candidates will have two minutes to respond and there will be an additional minute for the moderator to facilitate further discussion. The town meeting participants will be uncommitted voters selected by the Gallup Organization.”

The last debate is set for Oct. 19 at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas.

This one will be the same format as the first one.

More... (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/conventions-are-over-when-do-presidential-debates-/nr63X/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 29, 2016, 10:48:53 am
I can use a break from all this Political bullsh*t we have been drowning in for the past year. But I also know that the next big thing for us to chew on are in fact the Debates. But I'm not entirely sold on the idea that Drumpf will even do one, let alone two....or three. I smell a rat and it wouldn't surprise me one bit that he pulls the "media is treating me unfairly and you guys are raking in the cash on my name and brand with these debates.....so f*ck you and f*ck the debates. I'm holding my own blah blah blah......". Watch him walk away because he will get exposed in a way the Primaries didn't do. He can't risk "losing to a woman" on the grandest stage of them all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 29, 2016, 11:48:41 am
I'm just glad there aren't any being held in my neck of the woods, there usually are.  Strange that there aren't any this time.  but yeah, I doubt that Drumpf would want to do one, but I also don't know if he has a choice in the matter.  He's an insecure bully going up against a strong, confident, competent woman who's also a lawyer and arguably one of the most qualified Presidential candidates ever.  She's going to mop the floor with him.  Part of me is even wondering how long it will take, I would say halfway through the first debate, Drumpf will say something so fundamentally stupid and asinine that everyone will just stop in their tracks and have NO idea how to continue.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 29, 2016, 12:06:36 pm
Drumpf will say something so fundamentally stupid and asinine that everyone will just stop in their tracks and have NO idea how to continue.

This has been happening for the better part of a year.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 29, 2016, 12:12:59 pm
Yes, but he's been in an echo chamber, he's always been the loudest one in the room, and the people reacting are always after the fact.  The media rolls over because he delivers good ratings.  In a live, televised debate against a seasoned pro like Clinton and a moderator willing to call him out for not answering questions?  Totally different scenario.  Trump gets away with his stuff because he's never around when people call him out, if they ever do.  He can't do that in a debate.  "How can we trust you with our National Defense when no national security experts have signed on to your campaign?  How can our allies trust you when you threaten to pull out of NATO?  How can we trust you'd be a capable President when no living former President has spoken in your favor?  How can we trust your economic policy when you've declared bankrupty six times and won't release your tax returns?" and so on and so on, and he can't answer any of that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 31, 2016, 12:33:16 pm
Hillary Clinton claims FBI director said she was 'truthful' about email server (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-claims-fbi-director-155339051.html)



This whole idea that she could possibly change once she becomes President and become someone different than who she already is.....is laughable. I mentioned this a few weeks ago as she was doing the same thing about how she has and still is going on and on about how she "never sent nor received classified documents...". I just watched her interview with Chris Wallace this morning and was astounded at how stupid and dense she really is. Wallace is handing, i.e. reading verbatim what Comey said regarding her talking points and she was STILL trying to spin it that Comey wasn't really saying the things that we all heard. Wow! She really does have a disconnect with reality. Seriously....she can't NOT lie. It's in her DNA to not to admit anything, even when she has already "won". She is as dense as Drumpf is stupid.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 01, 2016, 03:39:35 pm
FactCheck agrees, and goes into more specifics. (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/clintons-email-falsehood/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 01, 2016, 08:01:36 pm
Oh, and for Chip, here's more info about the briefings via The Washington Post: Clinton and Trump will soon receive classified briefings: Here's How That Works (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/29/clinton-and-trump-will-soon-receive-classified-briefings-heres-how-that-works/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 03, 2016, 04:37:16 am
I'm back to my original train of thought and that is Drumpf is in fact working on behalf of Clinton, that he is in fact her mole and plant. Everything finally make sense after last night given the action of Drumpf. It's one thing to work tirelessly to constantly f*ck up all in the name of looking shittier than your opponent so that everyone has no choice but to vote for her. But that is only half the equation because just getting her into the office won't mean sh*t if the Republicans still hold the house and can veto every stupid thing she will propose while in office. But now that Drumpf is publicly denouncing Paul Ryan and John McCain and not supporting either one in  their reelection bid says it all. For Shrillary to get the leverage she needs as President, she needs the house and with Drumpf actively and purposely f*cking with the down ballot, it's clear what he is doing. He wants and needs the down ballots to start shifting all the reelections to Democrats....the other half of what needs to happen for his / her plan to work. And yes, I fully expect Drumpf to disclosed the content of his first Classified briefing via Twitter or Rally in the hopes that THIS will be the thing that finally collapses his "campaign". It's gonna happen regardless of any "consequence" that may befall him should he publicly reveal any info given him.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 04, 2016, 04:10:36 pm
Via Five Thirty Eight:
The Political Process Isn't Rigged: It Has Much Bigger Problems. (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-political-process-isnt-rigged-it-has-much-bigger-problems/?ex_cid=story-twitter)

Definitely interesting reading.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 05, 2016, 04:07:02 am
I agree with last statement. The process has to change. There is the Catch 22. It probably has to be changed by those in those seats. I don't really understand how it works.

My simplified view is politicians, it is now their primary job, to remain in office. The spend an extraordinary amount of their time working for their needs and wants. Most probably to retain those benefits only available to politicians. This skews their day to day thinking.

Term limits for everybody. Period. Get in. Work the issues, and your done.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 05, 2016, 01:06:20 pm
CNN's new normal? Two more expletives dropped on Thursday (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/290510-the-new-normal-two-more-expletives-dropped-on-cnn-thursday)


I do find this to be fascinating because just a couple of months ago, those appearing on FOX News were banned for a month after dropping expletives, yet I've seen numerous guest doing the same on CNN and getting a pass. There is something to be said about how certain Networks monitor and censor their airwaves. If CNN continues to allow more people to pop off with no fear of punishment, this will actually get more viewers because people will want to see how far guest can go. Should that happen, then FOX will start to allow their guest to do the same to retain viewership. The article highlights those attacking Drumpf, but I've seen others doing the same and dropping the P-Bomb in describing Obama and the A-Bomb for Clinton.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 09, 2016, 03:00:50 pm
So, you would think that Drumpf making a veiled assassination threat toward Clinton would shock me. Sad to say, but I absolutely expected him to go there......3 months ago. Now they can say it was just a "joke" and meant nothing by it, but there is no other way to take it. Everyone thought it and every knew exactly what he was thinking. As I said, he is purposely throwing this election no matter what. He was given a "gift" when it was shown that the Orlando Shooter's father had attended Clinton's rally. This would have been THE story of the day....perhaps the week. What better talking point then to paint Clinton as a Terrorist sympathizer, blah blah blah.... So what does Drumpf do to top this? Make the comment he said. Ugh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 20, 2016, 10:12:06 am
Troops using 'Clinton defense' in classified information cases (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinton-defense-in-classified-information-cases)

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY CLINTON SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDICTED!!!!

Because you have Comey and Lynch in the back pocket of Clinton and Obama, they have now set a precedence of future cases like these. So, now everyone is entitled to the same outcome as dipsh*t Clinton. I still don't understand how she can get away with blatantly circumventing the law with her home-brewed server. Just take the email equation out of the picture and the server alone is enough to indict.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 22, 2016, 09:46:15 am
I still say there is some truth in what comedians say.

John Oliver nails it again... for Trump

https://youtu.be/IN92vStw_AM
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 22, 2016, 10:45:55 am
I literally just watched this like 5 minutes ago and came here to post it. You beat me to it. And yeah, this was funny as f*ck.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2016, 02:32:37 pm
Iranian Navy ships harassing US Navy Ships right now. I can hardly wait to hear Obama, Kerry and Clinton pull out some stupid excuse out of their asses to let the Iranians off the hook for this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 24, 2016, 06:43:36 pm
No sh*t
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 27, 2016, 11:36:39 am
Trump sparks outrage with tweet about Dwyane Wade’s cousin’s death (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-dwyane-wade-cousin-000000613.html)

Drumpf does it again. What a complete ass he is. He turns a "news bulletin" into the most condescending infomercial of all time. This guy is so far removed from reality it's scary.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 27, 2016, 08:34:30 pm
Man, I am leaning more and more to Trump seething things up for a Clinton win.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2016, 10:29:03 am
Electoral College

Compare (http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/?utm_source=viz&utm_medium=viz.referral&utm_campaign=viz.ref.980&utm_viz_id=6ZJszsFe6fb&utm_pubreferrer=mic.com%2Farticles%2F152395%2Fwhat-is-the-electoral-college-the-history-map-and-votes-per-state)

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Every four years, millions of Americans head to the ballot box. They think they're picking the next president of the United States. But they're not technically voting for Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton or any other candidate. Voters actually punch the ballot for an elector.

Welcome to America's confusing presidential election system, brought to you by Founding Fathers such as Alexander Hamilton.

The Electoral College is as old as the country's Constitution. When the Founding Fathers shaped the nation, they had to choose a system for selecting the President. At the time, there were competing schools of thought for selecting the country's leader. Some believed Congress should choose the president. Others thought citizens should directly elect the president.

The latter idea — known as "pure democracy" — terrified some of America's early leaders. "Such democracies," wrote James Madison in 1787, "have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

Hamilton echoed Madison in a paper published in 1788, just before the Constitutional Convention, that attempted to rally support for the Electoral College. While the Founding Father popularized by the Broadway musical Hamilton believed average people should have a role in choosing the President, he argued the decision should be made by particular, "capable" individuals:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.

To compromise, these constitutional creators settled on the Electoral College. Each state is given a certain number of electors based on population. But each senator and representative are worth one elector, giving no state fewer than three votes. Electors, often chosen by state political parties, vote for their party's presidential nominee if he or she wins the popular vote in that state.

Following the results of the popular vote, electors gather in each state and vote to choose the next president. Today, we typically know the results of the election shortly after the polls close. But the electoral votes are not technically tallied until they are announced in Congress on Jan. 6 following the election.

In 2016, there are 538 electoral votes, meaning a presidential candidate needs 270 to win. In all but two states, whoever wins a majority of the popular vote takes all of the electoral votes. Maine and Nebraska are the exceptions, dividing electoral votes by congressional district.

Most polling shows Clinton beating Trump handily in the Electoral College.

Do electors have to vote for the popularly elected presidential candidate?

No. But they nearly always do. According to the National Archives, 99% of electors have voted as pledged to their party throughout American history.

The Constitution does not say electors must pick the presidential candidate favored by voters in their state, but some states have laws that punish electors for choosing a candidate other than the one they pledged to support. 

Has the Electoral College always reflected the popular vote?

No. Remember 2000? Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore won the popular vote by more than 500,000 votes. But Republican nominee George W. Bush edged out Gore in Florida and won the Electoral College. The race was so close that the Supreme Court eventually said recounts in Florida had to end, effectively handing Bush the presidency.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 31, 2016, 02:13:13 pm
Watching Trump standing side by side with the President of Mexico was f*cking riveting to see play on live TV. Talk about manufacturing a moment and that's exactly what Trump did today. Furthermore, he looked and acted Presidential, which is something I never thought I see. Sure, there is the possibility that he was just playing the part and isn't something he can sustain. But in that brief moment, he owned it and I can imagine Clinton p*ssing in her pantsuit as she watched and saw that he just scored a huge touchdown while she never made it onto the field. The optics are good for him. Now, it's about keeping his foot out of his mouth for the rest of the day. But, he has his Immigrant Policy speech to deliver tonight. So, a train wreck could still happen.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 07, 2016, 10:21:06 pm
Green Party's Jill Stein charged with trespassing, mischief (https://www.yahoo.com/news/green-party-candidate-faces-charges-graffiti-protest-125826468.html)


Am I the only one that thinks our judicial system is seriously f*cked up and nothing more than a joke? So, Jill Stein spray paints graffiti and this is tantamount to that of the most serious crime ever committed, and yet Clinton for 40 years has done some of the most scrupulous things possible to circumvent the law and profit off of it. Yeah, we definitely have our priorities straight don't we? I sleep better at night knowing that the Feds are cleaning up the streets and ridding the dregs of society like Stein. <---- Last sentence dripping with sarcasm.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2016, 09:30:57 am
'What Is Aleppo?'









You just lost my vote.



















*Sigh*
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 08, 2016, 10:30:27 am
As much as I want to vote for anybody other than Clinton or Trump, it's clear why Johnson is not even an asterisk anywhere.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 08, 2016, 10:37:00 am
Chip, I'm a little surprised you have not given your take on the NBC Presidential Forum from last night.

I watched with all the other stone faced onlookers, probably thinking the same thing. Good lord, 350 Million citizens and these two are our choices?

With no surprises, people have become focused on the Moderator Matt Lauer. And for good reason. He was a major disappointment. Especially when those two knuckleheads just lobbed him responses. He just sat there and caught them, instead of hitting it out the park.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2016, 11:30:04 am
I thought this "Commander-In-Chief" forum last night was a f*cking joke. I knew exactly what to expect and got it. 30 minutes each? How the f*ck is any candidate going to change minds with just 30 minutes? I knew that Clinton would filibuster her way through this in order to eat up as much time off the clock as possible to reduce any chance of followup questions that would pin her down even more. As for Drumpf, he did exactly what was expected, he got down on his knees and sucked Putin off publicly.

As for Johnson, I never had any intention of voting for him. My point with my statement, as brief as it was, was to highlight the fact that whatever remaining 'out' I had as a voter to avoid either Clinton or Drumpf, that flew out the window the moment he uttered 'What Is Aleppo?' It's safe to say that I will not be voting for any of the 4 left on the ballot and will just write in my own name this year. But I may just write in Mac or Neumatic since I don't want the job myself.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 08, 2016, 04:18:07 pm
Great idea. I think I'll do that too
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on September 08, 2016, 04:48:34 pm
Write my brother in, he's better for the job.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2016, 05:14:52 pm
I'll write your sisters name in instead. At least she works on a show I like. So, she gets my vote.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 11, 2016, 07:20:48 am
BREAKING: Hillary Clinton ‘leaves 9/11 ceremony suffering from medical episode’ (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709501/hillary-clinton-health-9-11-ceremony-medical-episode-coughing-faint)


Breaking news has Clinton leaving the 9/11 Memorial due to a medical issue. From what I heard on FOX News, her legs buckled and became wobbly as she was being led away. That's all I know.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 11, 2016, 02:04:59 pm
Hillary Clinton leaving 9/11 Event / Stumbling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se6PrO_PrMA

I think Drumpf is being restrained today because it's 9/11, thus no tweets (yet). But tomorrow, the gloves will come off as he is sure to light into her for this, proving he was "right all along" about her health. I know that Hannity is chomping at the bit to play this over and over on his show tomorrow.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 11, 2016, 04:19:44 pm
Wow, that looked real bad.

I'm already guessing, she'll spin it... A very emotional day.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 14, 2016, 07:04:14 am
I don't need Drumpf to release his medical records to know that he is a fat piece of sh*t.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 20, 2016, 05:58:24 am
Drunk Rudy Giuliani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWc0la3zR9s

I will NEVER get tired of watching this.
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 08:54:13 am
TRUMP Vs CLINTON

It's finally here. Debate #1 has arrived. It's crazy that it has taken this long to get here. When Drumpf announced he was running over a year ago, we all knew it would be TVC. With so much mudslinging on both sides of the aisle, it has made for a fast, if trying, year. I really don't know what to expect tonight. One thing I don't want to see is a boring debate. The hype for this has been built up for so long that I fear that's exactly what might happen. Love them or hate them (we all hate both), this is going to have a massive audience the size of Superbowl Sunday.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 26, 2016, 09:28:02 am
I would think it would be a huge event as well. But maybe, just maybe so many people are pissed at both, they just they are not going to waste their time.

I was watching just a few minutes of CNN Saturday, waiting to get a haircut, and they were breaking it down on their thoughts how both are preparing and how both need to present themselves. All kinds of theories on both.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 09:36:15 am
Yeah, it was overkill by every news outlet. It was funny how they went about this in the same way they do for the Superbowl and breaking it down to the smallest part imaginable. As for people being p*ssed, that is a given. But will that keep them away from this? Not a chance in hell. This is a train wreck in the making and people will be tuning in to see if Clinton actually has the balls to go after Drumpf and if he is able to maintain composure and take it or will he punch back in the only way he knows how to. This will be the most boring debate ever or one on par with the Primaries which had more in common with the WWE than a proper debate format.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 04:24:24 pm
Here’s what people are betting on for the big debate (https://www.yahoo.com/news/debate-betting-odds-trump-clinton-150535880.html)


I was curious if Vegas would be taking bets on this Debate. Well, check out some of the bets currently trending.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 26, 2016, 05:35:03 pm
Well those are far more interesting than the 2 candidates.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 05:55:32 pm
5 Minute countdown starts now...........
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 26, 2016, 07:01:43 pm
Gloves came off a couple of times.

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it's pretty much playing out like I thought it may.

Good gawd, both are just not giving me any confidence.

Let's continue to watch.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 26, 2016, 07:06:42 pm
He's gonna get nailed for the sniffing.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 11:23:47 pm
I don't know who "won" or who "loss". Yes, Drumpf  was erratic most of the time and in that sense, maybe Clinton "won". But is that really a way to anoint someone actively seeking the Presidency when they too suck? He was unhinged and she was smug and did a lot of the attacking herself. I think that cancels each other out. What I didn't like or appreciate is the fact that Lester Holt was clearly pro-Clinton. Seriously, no questions about her Email / Server (barely), Benghazi, or the Clinton Foundation? Sure, Drumpf could and should have brought this up on his own. He loss there. But the idea that a moderator would not ask any questions pertaining to the 3 BIGGEST issues tied to Clinton is asinine. Now with that said, I'm even more confused as to who won based on which network is on air or the comments at various news outlet. So, since I can't get a clear idea of who won, I come here to ask you guys who you think won. At the end of the day.....they still both suck. One last thing, Drumpf better get serious for Debate #2 and actually do mock debates based on the fact that he was all over the map tonight and searching for things to talk about. Had he actually done the work before tonight, he could have easily mopped the floor with her based on a handful of comments Clinton made. But with no prep, he was constantly trying to ad lib stuff that made no sense to what she had brought up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 26, 2016, 11:47:59 pm
Trump was definitely erratic and shooting from the hip. This time, I don't think it worked very well. Clinton was more prepared in her canned statements, looking confident quite often, but got a little unhinged/ messed up with how to respond at times.  She still appeared to lie with confidence.

I did like Trump not holding back. But he did repeat himself with phrases, just in those 90 minutes.

It was all over the place. If you had a meter on me, my gauge of the statements I liked and disliked was pegging for the two at very different times.

Anyway, I heard the term surreal, from the after thought reporting. Surreal indeed.

We waited a long time for tonight, and I think it was very unsatisfying, to say the least. My confidence for our future for the next 4 years, is pretty shaky.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2016, 11:56:02 pm
Well it was definitely unsatisfying. It was just more of the same from both. Now, I'm really curious if we can actually get a better debate in Round 2 because you know that Kellyanne Conway and the rest of his clique will push for a traditional debate prep. It has to happen. He can't as you say, shoot from the hip again. He needs to have precise and intelligent answers and actually know how to turn her comments against her. Just watching videotape of her is not going to cut it as we clearly saw tonight. If there is any winner to be named tonight....I think you would have to hand it to Gary Johnson because now maybe people will push for him to be in Round 2 just to see what he can bring to the table now that we have seen Drumpf V Clinton.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 27, 2016, 01:01:00 am
How is it Johnson was not involved tonight?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 27, 2016, 03:05:25 pm
How is it Johnson was not involved tonight?

He had to be a combined 15% from 5 recent polls to qualify for the Debate Stage. His average has been in the 8%-10% range. If I'm Drumpf (and thank God I'm not), I'd be BEGGING to get Johnson into the next debate so that he won't have to be front and center like last night.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on September 27, 2016, 04:16:08 pm
Are we talking about the same Trump who only lives a life of front and center?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 03, 2016, 09:31:47 am
Pretty much sums up my thoughts after the debate and the week from hell. I've said from the beginning, he in no one exudes presidential demeanor.

The Trump Supporter’s Week from Hell

Quote

Andy Schmookler Award-winning author of What We’re Up Against, former Democratic nominee for Congress in Virginia, political commentator and talk radio philosopher

This piece is appearing in newspapers in my conservative congressional District.


For Donald Trump’s supporters, as the week of the first presidential debate began, things looked better than ever. Once Trump stopped going after a judge of Mexican descent and a Gold Star father, and started keeping such impulses under wraps, Trump had climbed steadily in the polls, pulling almost even with his Democratic opponent.

Then came the Monday evening debate — with all it revealed to nearly 100 million Americans — and all that transpired in the days afterwards.

For a Trump supporter, the week’s developments have not only diminished the likelihood of a Trump victory (according to all the evidence from polls and predictor markets). What’s worse, I would think, is how what the week’s revelations raise red flags about the desirability of his becoming president.

Consider:

In the wake of the debate, Trump insisted on waging a days-long fight with a former Miss Universe. Engaging in this fight was worse than getting sidetracked. It was positively injurious to his presumed purpose of getting elected. Which surely must raise the question:

Does it make sense to put into the hands of someone who picks his fights foolishly the power to choose decide for America between war and peace?

Trump’s major supporters had advised him — since his self-destructive rants in August — to avoid just this sort of conduct - advice that apparently was renewed as he went after this former beauty queen. But he ignored that advice.

Does it make sense to choose as the steward of America’s foreign affairs, and as commander-in-chief of our armed forces, a man unable or unwilling to follow wiser counsel to protect him from his own bad decisions?

Trump had surely seen how seriously he had injured his campaign, back in August, by continually pressing fights against people irrelevant to his task of persuading the American electorate to elect him president. But here he was, doing the same thing again.

How well-served will America likely be if the person at the helm — a rookie in the political world — is incapable of learning from his own mistakes?

During the debate, Trump’s opponent said that Trump “thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese,” to which Trump replied, “I did not. I do not say that.” Within minutes, the fact-checking universe brought forward Trump’s own tweet saying, “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.” Which should raise the question for all Americans,

If we can’t trust him to tell us the truth about something that is so easily verified, how well could we trust him as president to tell us the truth about situations that play out away from the public eye?


The evidence was overwhelming that Donald Trump was the loser in this first presidential debate. But in the course of the ensuing days, Trump himself seemed to deny that evident reality, insisting that he’d done just fine. Word came out, moreover, that he angrily forbade the people around him to concede that there had been any problem with his performance.

How safe would the nation be in the hands of someone who cannot recognize or admit his errors?

Much of the discussion of Trump’s disastrous debate performance centered around his lack of proper preparation for the event, in stark contrast to his well-prepared opponent. Various people privy to Trump’s debate prep process later spoke to reporters about what the process was like. It emerged that Trump was apparently unable to focus on the task, unable to approach the challenge in a disciplined way.

How well able would an unfocused, undisciplined mind be to deal with a complex, dangerous crisis that might arise on his watch?


For example, the 2000 film Thirteen Days portrays the most dangerous crisis thus far in human history: the 1962 Cuban Missile crisis in which the United States and the Soviet Union came closer than ever before or since to an all-out nuclear war. The film shows what disciplined and sustained strategic thinking, on the part of President Kennedy and his advisors, went into finding a successful resolution of that crisis. The well-being of all Americans (and indeed the whole world) depended on the American president having capabilities that members of Trump’s inner circle report that Trump lacks.

Is there anything in the political picture that any American can wisely say should outweigh these revelations from Trump’s week from hell?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 04, 2016, 06:51:18 am
Julian Assange moves speech to Berlin due to 'specific information'
 (https://www.cnet.com/news/julian-assange-speech-berlin-due-to-specific-information-wikileaks-hillary-clinton-drone-strike/#ftag=YHF65cbda0?yptr=yahoo)


I don't know if you guys are keeping up with Julian Assange and his Wikileaks this past year or not, but he was suppose to release / announce his latest batch this morning, but has since delayed that due to his fear of being assassinated. I've been waiting for this October Surprise like everyone else. He promised a bombshell. Now is it possible that he has purposely inflated this for his own notoriety? Of course. But I am curious what's in it. Rumor has it that one of the 'smoking guns' has "proof" that Clinton herself has suggested using a Drone to take him out, which I consider to be big. But is this the "Game Changer" he and everyone has referred to? I have no idea. Still fascinating to read though.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 04, 2016, 11:39:28 am
I've had an ear out for it. Not to this level. Now you have my attention.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 05, 2016, 09:25:01 am
Tim Kaine is a douche. I hated him going into the debate last night and now I hate him even more.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 05, 2016, 09:43:24 am
I gave zero thought to even watching that debate.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 06, 2016, 10:41:11 am
Gary Johnson won’t (or can’t) name North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong Un (https://www.yahoo.com/news/gary-johnson-wont-or-cant-name-north-koreas-leader-kim-jong-un-153924294.html)


This guy really IS stupid. I gave him a pass (somewhat) when he couldn't give an answer about Aleppo. But I rolled my eyes when he couldn't name a 'living leaders' he admired. Now, with the knowledge that he couldn't name the North Korean dictator, that's just too much to swallow. This guy makes Drumpf look.....(I hate to say it.)....."smart".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 06, 2016, 03:11:35 pm
Gary Johnson: I’d sleep well siphoning votes from Clinton (https://www.yahoo.com/news/gary-johnson-id-sleep-well-siphoning-votes-from-clinton-202657528.html)

Wow, this just in...his stupidity has no end in sight. So, Johnson is okay with playing the spoiler roll, even if that means Drumpf wins and Weld has come out in support of Clinton. This marriage is clearly over. So, why the f*ck are they even running if they have opposite views?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 06, 2016, 07:45:49 pm
Thanks for confirming this guy is a butthead. I think we can rule this guy out, even as a alternative for vote.

Back to the other to asshats to **** us all off.

Gawd, I hate this is where we've come too.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 08, 2016, 11:21:20 am
Trump in damage control mode over crude hot mic audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKC6ZaG72mw

You have to be living under a rock to not have heard about what has gone down in the last 24 hours. It's safe to say that he is DOA the moment the video was leaked. What ever slim shot he had at winning is effectively gone. There is no way he will win. And I'll go a step further and say he will in fact drop out, in spite of his proclamation he will continue onward. I said before and I'll say again, he will quit because he needs to create an "out" for himself to say that he never got beat by Clinton, blah blah blah.

Okay, with that said, I still don't understand why the RNC doesn't do a media blitz with ads across the board telling Republicans and Independents to just Vote using the Write-In Option and to write *insert RNC choice name*. The RNC has loaded with unlimited money to actually make a serious dent on air. No one wants Drumpf or Clinton. A Write-In ad campaign could work.

One last thing regarding the video. Why is no one calling out Drumpf that he has no game. He literally insulted himself as not having game. He brags about how "famous" people can more or less get what they want. In this case girls. And yet, even with his "fame" he STILL failed. Dude's got no game at all....even with all that money.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 08, 2016, 06:14:30 pm
BREAKING NEWS:

Looks like the GOP is trying to convince Mike Pence to quit the ticket, which would in effect force Drumpf to quit. It's a dream scenario, but think about how this is a chess match playing on the grandest stage ever. Pence quits. Drumpf quits. GOP declares Pence the Republican Nominee. Enjoy this while it last because we are never going to see anything like this Political race ever again in our lifetime. Thanks God.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 08, 2016, 06:39:41 pm
This race is soooooooooo f*cked up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 08, 2016, 06:59:13 pm
That'll be interesting, except it's too late to do anything like that.  Trump is the nominee.  Voting's been going on since September.  It's way too late for them to change their nominee.  If they want Pence (who would be a totally different disaster than Trump), they'd have to convince people to vote for Trump and promise to remove him the second he's inaugurated (there's already enough to actually IMPEACH him), but that's not going to give anyone any confidence.  "Vote for us, we screwed up but you can trust us to handle it!"  Yeah, right.

A lot of the people who are psyched to vote for Trump are doing so because he's not a politician.  If Trump drops out, they won't pick the Republican replacement, they'll just stay home.  That's a big chunk gone.  A lot of Republicans are saying they'll write in a name, but I don't know if write-ins for Pence would count the same as votes for the Republican nominee (and who's to say they won't write in someone else's name?)

There's never been anything like this in American politics.  It's kind of amazing to watch.  I wonder what the end result will be, not the election results, but the future of the Republican and Democrat parties, how nominees are selected... a lot has to change, but I doubt that anyone will ever actually learn from their mistakes.  They'll chalk it up to an insane black swan moment and subject us to more of the poor planning, crummy news coverage etc that we just went through.  We'll never have another Trump, but I sincerely doubt the system that let him in is going anywhere.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 08, 2016, 07:13:08 pm
So, this just happened: The Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-scrambles-to-salvage-election-after-donald-trumps-latest-imbroglio-1475969203) just announced that they're dropping all support for Trump, essentially conceding the Presidential election, and redirecting money into the down ballot races.  Incredible.  I wonder how well that will work out for them.

They seem to want Pence to drop off the ticket and form a new one, Pence-Carson, but again, I don't know if that's allowed.  They don't get mulligans, not this far into things.  And Pence, let's not forget, is incredibly unpopular and also unelectable.  He would never get this far on his own, he was going to lose his own re-election in Indiana because he screwed it up so bad.  On top of being a bad businessman, this one tweet going around describes his sexual politics perfectly: "Make no mistake, ladies: Trump may be the face of your rapist, but Pence is every judge who made sure he got away with it."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 08, 2016, 07:31:15 pm
Everything I have witness the past 48 hours as well as the entire election process has been surreal. I'm kind of numb right now trying to soak up all the latest news that has been coming in today. So, who is looking forward to tomorrow's debate? If and it's a BIG If, if Drumpf actually shows up, this is going to be UGLY and a total train wreck. He knows he is toast. He knows he can't win. And he knows this will be his last hurrah on the big stage (I don't expect him to show up to debate #3). So, I expect him to go nuclear (pun intended) and do everything possible to destroy Clinton (both of them), even if it means destroying whatever he holds dear in that tiny pea brain of his, be it his "good name" or whatever.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 08, 2016, 07:35:55 pm
I just pictured Clinton leaning on her podium, bored, making small talk with the moderator ("i've been good. busy. you?"), checking her watch and wondering "so... is someone from the other side showing up? They know when this was supposed to start, right?"
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 09, 2016, 05:15:21 pm
We are a mere 45 minutes away from the debate and Drumpf has already fired the first shot by announcing that 3 of Bill Clinton's accusers (Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, and Kathleen Willey) will be in the Town Hall. This is going to be messy...dirty....and fun to watch.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 09, 2016, 06:30:17 pm
30 minutes into and the bullets are flying. Total f*cking train wreck. 2 disgusting people.

It seems the audience is pro Trump... why, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 09, 2016, 07:13:21 pm
Trump just disagreed with his running mate about Syria. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa???

And now he's rambling again. While Hillary has her sh*t eating grin obviously thinking, Trump continues to spiral down.

Trump is and will never be prepared for presidency.  :-\

I'm losing any interest I have.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 09, 2016, 08:27:22 pm
Yeah, I was stunned that he more or less tossed Pence under the bus on a national stage. Tit for tat. I knew it was coming....just not at the debate. Now onto the rest of the debate. Drumpf was horrible in the first 30 minutes. He literally was a deer in headlights as he reverted into stump speech mode when trying to pivot from the 'Hot Mic' video onto other subject matters. I give Clinton this round, not because she was good, but because Drumpf was bad. But, to my surprise, he settled down and started to land some heavy blows. He was unrelentless and there were some great lines. Cheap shots....but still great lines. Round 2 and 3 go to Drumpf. Yes, there were a few hiccups along the way, the biggest being him rambling on and on about his "Post Office". I was literally screaming at the TV to get back on point and stop promoting your venture. But yeah, I have Drumpf easily beating Clinton tonight. She offered nothing new and was robotic and reciting too many rehearsed lines to win anyone over.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 10, 2016, 03:36:29 am
I quit after an hour.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 19, 2016, 12:28:26 pm
Voted.  And got interviewed by the news, but they didn't use any of it.  No worries (I can imagine my sister getting a lot of texts, "I saw your brother on the news!" "Oh god, what did he do?").

Anyway, that's it.  I did my duty, cast my vote... and I highly suggest you do the same.  Earlier is better, if you can.  Parking and the line was a nightmare, so bring a book, headphones, something.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2016, 12:45:43 pm
Voted?

For the President?

I'm hearing about early voting, but I know of nothing around these parts where that can be done.

So early voting was a nightmare? Dayummmmmmm
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 19, 2016, 12:46:42 pm
Good job. Good luck in your candidate winning....in spite of his small hands.  ;D

As for me, I'm doing mail-in vote and will wait for the 11th hour before I pull the trigger on whoever is able to con me into voting for them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2016, 12:53:59 pm
Were these 3rd Party candidates on the form?

Former Governor Gary Johnson (New Mexico)
    
Dr. Jill Stein (Massachusetts)

Darrell Castle (Tennessee)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 19, 2016, 02:36:56 pm
Okay, so I checked the news web site and saw the report.  I wasn't in it, big deal.  Anyway, a couple hours later I hear from my mom, "You were on the news THREE times!  You were the lead-in!"  Whoa!

Edit: got a pic!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvKp73oW8AAf9zN.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2016, 07:43:05 pm
Your a star

And on a side note...
Damn man, that is you in your avatar. Whenever I see that pic, I think of Val Kilmer
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2016, 07:48:34 pm
Tonight's 3rd and final debate was interesting. I'm watching the aftermath with commentators and they seem to be very much placing Hillary as the winner.

I honestly saw it very different. Trump kept his composure. He had answers and defended himself reasonably well.
Hillary had some very scripted answers and very repetitive, IMO. Not that I believe either one will be able to accomplish 1/10 of what they say.

Again, can't stand either, but I think we'll be in a world continuing to spiral down with Hillary. I have no idea what Trump will bring, but I'm thinking, can it get worse?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 19, 2016, 09:06:07 pm
CNN and MSNBC will always say that Clinton won the debate and FOX will always side with Drumpf. Personally I thought both sucked. Clinton more so. So, yeah, in that regard Drumpf "won". But he was erratic too many times. But that wasn't the worst of it. It was watching Clinton constantly looking down at her podium. She was literally READING off her cards word for word. It was pathetic.  Why no one has called her out on that is just evidence that the media is in her tank and want her to win.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 19, 2016, 09:06:51 pm
FYI, I've been saying Neumatic was a star for years. But no one listens to me.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 19, 2016, 09:13:15 pm
Oh, they updated the story with my appearance, so... enjoy my shrill voice and emaciated arms, I guess (http://www.wsmv.com/story/33417512/long-lines-reported-across-davidson-county-on-first-day-of-early-voting).  Oh, side thought: we were in a freakin' library, so few people in line bothered to pick up a book.  That was depressing.

Didn't see the debate.  What was the point?  I voted.  Hopefully it made a difference.  Besides, I can't follow the debates on TV, I can't hear them clearly, the captions are delayed by about a minute, and they don't say anything of substance or value.  Screw that, my time's valuable.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 28, 2016, 12:09:00 pm
FBI looking into new Clinton emails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeogleOCQqA

This is a HUGE bombshell. There has to be something 'there' for the FBI to announce they are reopening the case against Clinton after the fiasco of Comey. She needs to start measuring for her Jumpsuit for the Big House and not Curtains for the White House.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 28, 2016, 12:25:18 pm
Nonsense.  Makes for a great headline, and lots of anxiety and "Breaking News!" in the final 11 days of the election, but it is straight up NOT what is happening (https://thinkprogress.org/the-fbi-directors-letter-about-the-clinton-emails-says-a-lot-less-than-the-media-wants-you-to-aa61e81e5a97#.wyfb1mhzu).

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The FBI, in other words, is not reexamining its previous findings. It is not questioning its previous legal conclusion that “no reasonable prosecutor” could determine that charges are warranted. Based on the letter, it appears that the FBI will simply provide the same scrutiny to these newly uncovered emails as it previously applied to the emails it already reviewed when it determined that criminal charges are not warranted.

They're NOT reopening the case, because they don't know what's in the new e-mails.  They're just announcing that they HAVE them, and they MIGHT be pertinent, but it will take time to figure that out and they don't know how long it will take.  It's an announcement of boring, clinical work that could result in something, but probably won't, and became public knowledge b/c it deals with a public figure that people cant' shut up about.

This isn't nearly as big a deal as it seems.  Think of Clinton's possible trial as a movie, this isn't even a trailer, this is the announcement of the trailer.  it's the announcement of Christian Bale playing Steve Jobs.  That's how far removed this news is from what you think it is.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 28, 2016, 12:31:42 pm
You're right, they are not reopening it because the case was never closed. It was an ongoing case that was "winding down". They found the new emails by way of Anthony Weiner's sexting investigation, which in itself pulls Huma Abedin back into the hot seat, which pulls Cheryl Mills, which.... Even if nothing comes of this, the optics are horrible and will do more damage to her campaign regardless how the DNC tries to spin this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 28, 2016, 12:42:27 pm
"The optics are horrible."

Politics in four perfect words.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 29, 2016, 07:32:13 am
I believe this is real...

Re-Elect Gerald

https://youtu.be/wzjRwNUQDRU
Published on Oct 5, 2016
Travis County Commissioner Gerald Daugherty is a proven fighter for better roads, lower taxes, and responsible county spending. Keep Gerald working for us! Learn more at www.VoteGerald.com. [Produced by KC Strategies, Austin, TX; www.KCStrategies.com.]
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 29, 2016, 10:52:26 pm
I saw that, I love it.  It's very cute, which is a nice change of pace from nasty.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 30, 2016, 11:03:27 am
How, how, f*cking how is she not indicted.

What is Comey doing? Seriously.

And finally this one thing should be slam dunk for Trump. Any of the other candidates would and could have just nailed her to the wall. But Trump... nope, he lets stuff slide.

Clinton E-mail Scandal Timeline. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/hillary-clinton-email-timeline/)

Unfortunately, a possible scenario is, Clinton gets elected, and the following years will be investigations and possible impeachment.

We are all saying "Can't wait until this over". Yes, all this crap in the news, the campaigns, the news. BUT, it's not the end. Whoever gets in, will the beginning of just more bad things for the American public.

‘We Are in for a Pretty Long Civil War’ (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-gop-civil-war-republicans-rnc-future-214396)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 30, 2016, 12:42:15 pm
The Republican Party has been screwed for a long time.  That's how they got stuck with Trump.  They did nothing for eight years of Obama but throw tantrums, refuse to work, made their whole mission "nuh uh," and now they're paying for it.  Won't get any tears from me.  What sucks is that outside of some blue dog Democrats, proper conservatives don't have representation, and that does suck because we get better government and better solutions when we have more distinct voices coming together.

And now, here's Lawfare Blog (https://www.lawfareblog.com/james-comey-hillary-clinton-and-email-investigation-guide-perplexed) answering legal questions about the whole e-mail mess.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 30, 2016, 06:27:19 pm
Thanks. That was... quite the read.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 30, 2016, 11:36:37 pm
As aggravating as all this stuff is, imagine how frustrating it'll be in 20 years time time to history students with ZERO context.  You're lucky you're an old man, my generation is gonna have a horrible time explaining the present to our grandkids.

"So you knew cigarettes were poisonous but inhaled them anyway?" "Yep."
"So you knew that the world was being cooked but didn't do anything about it?" "Yep."
"So you knew football was giving athletes brain damage and you didn't do anything?" "Right."
"So you put computers in everything and connected them all without any firewalls so any idiot could hack them?" "Couldn't do it fast enough."
"Trump?" "I'm still trying to wrap my head around that."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on October 31, 2016, 10:10:12 am
I'm laughing and crying at the same time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 31, 2016, 10:56:22 am
I did my part and cast my ballot today (mail-in).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on October 31, 2016, 11:55:43 pm
Some light heartedness before we get swamped with Russia stuff...  Samantha Bee suggests that Donald Trump can't read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFkN7QGp2c
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 01, 2016, 10:31:22 am
Rolling Stone has a very nice... and quite frankly, extremely welcome article about The Clinton Outrage Machine (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/how-the-hillary-clinton-outrage-cycle-took-over-the-media-w447574) and how it's taken over the media.  I'm exhausted by this, and the idea of four to eight years of this fills me with dread.  Even though it's preferable to the alternative, I keep finding myself hoping that everyone else is as tired of it as I am, and if it will finally burn out and disappear.  I doubt it.  It's hard to recompose and get serious after utter farce.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 01, 2016, 03:39:20 pm
Interesting piece.

It's not going to end. This will continue to cycle again.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 03, 2016, 06:17:43 am
Every night I go to bed with the knowledge that when I wake up early in the morning, I have Wikileaks to look forward to. Each day is something bigger than the previous day. That noose is getting tighter and tighter around Clinton's neck (both of them). They are toast. It's not even a question of whether she wins or not anymore. It's when they WILL BE charged.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 03, 2016, 09:42:04 pm
Twilight of the Trump Surrogates
 (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/trump-surrogates-cnn-fox-news-cory-lewandowski-133543680.html)



As frustrating as it was to watch Drumpf implode on the air every time someone would air it live, I actually had more issues with his Surrogates. One of the things I have been looking forward to regarding Election Day is the fact that I hopefully will never have to see anyone of these guys ever again. They are entertaining to watch at times, but boy, do they make people dumb by way of osmosis, just by listening to them. Of all of them, Katrina was and is heads and shoulders the absolute worse of the bunch.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 04, 2016, 05:40:35 pm
Gentlemen, board members, my fellow Americans, FiveThrityEight presents us with The Perfect Stump Speech (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/perfect-stump-speech/).  Specially designed to appeal to everyone and say nothing of substance.  And lots of little notes about how it's done.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 06, 2016, 04:15:21 am
I just woke up this morning to the news that Clinton's own House Maid was handling Top Secret Documents (i.e. printing out pages via fax) for her to make her life "easier". What the f*ck! Normally I would say that this has to be 'maid up' (Rim Shot).

But given how nutty and f*cked up this Election Cycle has been, I wouldn't put it pass Clinton to do this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 06, 2016, 06:56:38 pm
The Atlantic has a helpful Clinton Scandal Primer, (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/) which was published earlier today.

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This is a pattern with the Clinton family, which has been in the public spotlight since Bill Clinton’s first run for office, in 1974: Something that appears potentially scandalous on its face turns out to be innocuous, but an investigation into it reveals different questionable behavior.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 07, 2016, 10:55:49 pm
So, with this sixteen thousand year long election cycle finally wrapping up, and with the general unfavourability of both candidates, MotherBoard ponders an issue that I'd been pondering in some of my sci-fi work: Society is too complicated to have a President (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/society-is-too-complicated-to-have-a-president-complex-mathematics-suggest)

I've often wondered how, in the information age and given how interconnected everything is, butterfly effect in real time, we're supposed to think or lead ourselves.  Would we be comfortable letting a machine figure this stuff out?  Would that still be democracy?  Would we still have freedom?  We could vote on the important values and goals we have, let the computer figure out the most ideal courses of actions, and vote for that.  Or we could have like a controller-in-chief, who interfaces with the machine on behalf of the country.  How much would we automate?  How little?  How could we avoid becoming that planet from the episode of Star Trek that just had wars going on for thousands of years in the computers, but requiring real casualties?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 04:59:18 am
Election Day is here. This has been a long road. I'm numb to it all and yet I'll be glued to the TV all day because this is the biggest decision the American people will have to make and I'm curious who they want: A thieving lying corrupt life-long politician or someone with tiny hands. This will be must-see TV like you've never seen before. Think about it, the entire Planet will be watching today/tonight.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 08, 2016, 09:03:01 am
Chip, this one's for you: Samantha Bee discusses and reads Hillary's e-mails on her show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhM0Htv39aE

This is pretty much what I expected the e-mails to be, but they're somehow dumber than I thought they could be.  My favourite?  "Gefilte fish: where are we on this?"
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 04:10:10 pm
The first batch of Polls have closed and the numbers are coming in. We have a long night ahead of us.....but I'm glued to the TV.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 08, 2016, 05:02:58 pm
I'm not nuts about the 69% chance of Republican Senate victory, since it'll no doubt lead to four more years of obstructionist nonsense, but I can't say I'm too surprised.  George Bush Sr evidently left the President line blank and just voted straight R down-ticket and I suspect we'll get a lot of that.  In addition, it seems as though a lot of those loudmouth pepe the frog 4channers, the most vocal Trump supporters, and the ones who do things like photoshop the faces of people they disagree with into gas ovens, aren't voting b/c they didn't realize they had to register first and early.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 08, 2016, 05:58:03 pm
An hour into the polls closing and it looks to be a tight long night.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 06:08:46 pm
This is a tight race for sure. Tighter than I thought it would be. I keep switching back from Fox News and CNN and they way they are covering it is laughable on the part of CNN, who has zero credibility given the whole DNC/Brazil/Debate Question fiasco. It's like CNN is purposely trying to misrepresent the Polls in her favor, whereas Fox seems to be sticking to the actual numbers as they come in. Regardless, this is a nail-biter. The down-ballot race is also getting interesting as well.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 08, 2016, 07:09:56 pm
NBC is constantly working stats, to the point of micro world of comparing distracts from 4 years ago?
I don't get that. Nothing about this election year is comparable.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 07:46:39 pm
This sh*t is getting veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting.  Currently the tally is Trump 167 to Clinton 130. Watching the panel over on FOX is very telling. Everyone from Megyn Kelly to Bret Baier and on and on....the looks on their faces says everything. They are stunned that Trump is where he is right now.

Just in: FOX just called North Carolina for Trump. Wow!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 08, 2016, 07:57:29 pm
NBC is leaning that Trump will take Florida. All the pundits stunned.

This is very telling. The media has one view, rural America has another.
I'm not surprised at all how this is so close. I think a lot of folks are thinking the same. But the media is absolutely dumbfounded.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 08:01:01 pm
But the media is absolutely dumbfounded.

They are dumbfounded because they thought they could manipulate the American Public with false polls, cheating debate questions, etc.....
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 08:06:18 pm
If Clinton loses tonight (and it's leaning that way at the moment), my money is on Clinton contesting the results in Florida which would be ironic out of everything that has played out thus far.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 08:25:42 pm
It has been 30 minutes since NBC and FOX have called Florida for Trump and CNN is still refusing to call it. To do so is to admit that Clinton, their precious Puppet, will not get there through that state. It's interesting that on CNN, they actually have her leading Trump by 12 points, whereas every other Network has Trump winning.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 08, 2016, 09:01:39 pm
The post mortem of this election is going to be studied for decades to come.  It's unlike anything we've had before, and the perfect storm of a confluence of issues: sexism, racism, media complacency, disinformation, the failure of predictive data, the repeal of the voting rights act, the interference by the FBI... it's going to be hours before we get the final results (remember, projections aren't final numbers, and the races are so close.  I remember how long the 2000 election took), but it'll be a good long time before we understand everything that went into this and how it played out.  And there's the obvious question of how we keep it from happening again.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 08, 2016, 11:49:55 pm
TRUMP WINS!
CLINTON LOSES!
I'M EXHAUSTED!


You know I'm not a fan of Trump and I'm not celebrating because he won, I'm celebrating because she lost. I'm all about the rule of law and that everyone should be held to the same standard. What was really distressing was the idea that there was half of the United States that didn't care about rule or law and were willing to reward her with the highest job on Earth. When Podesta came out and sent the Clinton supporters home because they were going to wait for every single vote to be counted just infuriated me because the Clinton camp were now going to do the thing they were mocking and condemning Trump of doing had it not gone his way. So, I was and am kind of shocked that Clinton actually conceded tonight.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 09, 2016, 10:41:57 am
I'm spent... from the exhausting local ad campaigns. Good gawd, they were depressing me.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 09, 2016, 10:44:09 am
and this.... I've been actually thinking about this vs. over who won.

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The media turned itself into the opposition and,
accordingly, was voted down as the new political reality emerged:
Ads don’t work, polls don’t work, celebrities don’t work, media endorsements don’t work, ground games don’t work.


More... (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-trump-win-exposes-medias-smug-failures-945733)

We have a real problem with media. Hopefully we will see a change.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 09, 2016, 11:12:12 am
Article via The Intercept:

Democrats, Trump, and The Ongoing Dangerous Refusal To Learn The Lessons Of Brexit (https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 09, 2016, 01:34:41 pm
I find it hilarious how many people that opposed the idea of a Trump Presidency are now coming out today to offer their congratulations. I expected that there would be a handful of people that would do that, but not as many as have come forward. A lot of hypocrites now kissing Trump's ass. The thing is, Trump may be gracious for the time being, but he won't forget those that crossed him at one time or another.

Okay, now that we have our President-Elect, I'm hopefully optimistic that he will step up to the plate and actually deliver on his promises. But then again, I'm always optimistic whenever there is a change in the Presidency. 71 days until inauguration right? The first 100 days will be interesting to watch. If he starts to waver or go down a road not in line with his proposed policies, I'm gonna be royally p*ssed and spent the next 4 years tearing him down. But lets not jump the gun just yet and follow the mantra most people are adopting today. Let's give him a chance to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 10, 2016, 09:25:29 am
BTW, Chip, when pressed about it, the Trump team said they're probably not going to lock her up. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lock-her-up_us_582489dce4b0d9ce6fc10065)  I know that was a biggie for you, probably not going to happen.  That's a campaign promise he's not keeping.


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“If it isn’t as bad as some of the exaggerators think it is, then maybe the best thing to do is forget about it and move on.”
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 10, 2016, 09:39:18 am
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I find it hilarious how many people that opposed the idea of a Trump Presidency are now coming out today to offer their congratulations. I expected that there would be a handful of people that would do that, but not as many as have come forward. A lot of hypocrites now kissing Trump's ass. The thing is, Trump may be gracious for the time being, but he won't forget those that crossed him at one time or another.

The hypocrisy has gone on for years. I actually envisioned all them talking normal behind the doors. And yes, after it's over, move on and work with each other.

BUT.... Trump is different. He's not a politician.... yet. I can easily see him handle these folks like he would in his business transactions. On the other hand, I can't see Trump single evenhandedly change the way politics work. There will be compromise.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 10, 2016, 09:40:46 am
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BTW, Chip, when pressed about it, the Trump team said they're probably not going to lock her up.  I know that was a biggie for you, probably not going to happen.  That's a campaign promise he's not keeping.

I still hope someone goes after her and the Clinton's organization. There is something going on and I'm betting it's not legal.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 10, 2016, 04:07:52 pm
Reposting.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 10, 2016, 05:00:46 pm
I still hope someone goes after her and the Clinton's organization. There is something going on and I'm betting it's not legal.

This ^^.

I think the Trump organization is just down-playing the idea of not pursuing this right now to ensure a smooth transition and not inflame an already volatile investigation. He has to just let the FBI do their job and if they do find evidence that the Clinton Foundation was in fact dealing in pay-for-play, he will have no choice but to indict. He can't call himself the "Law and Order" Candidate (now President) and let her skate. It would undermine everything his campaign was built on and reflect extremely poorly in the eyes of many.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 10, 2016, 05:03:34 pm
Trump Meets Obama at White House for First Time | Full Special Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDL65TlOujo


Today was a fascinating day to see both Trump and Obama sharing the same space for the first time after all the mud slinging, going back the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 10, 2016, 05:22:39 pm
Hate Crimes across the country after Trump victory (https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656). 

Don't look away.  You have to click that.

I've been seeing these since the election's been called.  There are a TON of them.  A few hours ago Shaun King, a civil rights activist and key member of Black Lives Matter, reported that he had over 3,000 of these e-mails and they keep coming in.  And not just violence against blacks, but muslims, Asians (really, ASIANS!), women, anyone.

The shocking thing is hearing how supposed friends and neighbours turned into monsters after the election announcement.  The amount of people who wanted to be cruel and horrible, sexist, racist, VIOLENT... it's astonishing.  And all they needed was permission.  And they got it.  It's like a god d*mn episode of Black Mirror.

Example:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw3sDjIVQAAZf6a.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 10, 2016, 05:25:18 pm
Sadly, this was expected given the climate we are living in right now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 10, 2016, 05:32:11 pm
Well, given that I have black cousins, and a mixed-race baby that I love, and gay friends, I can't be so blase about it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 10, 2016, 08:49:28 pm
Medicare is going to be privatized (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html)

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Ryan tells Baier, “Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke.” This is false. In fact, it’s the complete opposite of the truth. The Medicare trust fund has been extended 11 years as a result of the passage of Obamacare, whose cost reforms have helped bring health care inflation to historic lows. It is also untrue that repealing Obamacare requires changing traditional Medicare. But Ryan clearly believes he needs to make this claim in order to sell his plan, or probably even to convince fellow Republicans to support it.

Mac, you on Medicare?

Social Security will no doubt follow.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 11, 2016, 02:20:33 pm
If Hillary Clinton had won the election, and the Republicans still went after her, and there were charges to bring forward, there would be a trial.  Everyone would push for it, Trump included.  You'd expect that much, right?  You'd want her accountable.  I would too.

Well, Trump is supposed to go on trial very soon for his Trump University fraud, but now Trump's attorneys want to postpone it. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-university-trial-lawyers-ask-postponed-inauguration)

Guess what?  That was the postponement.  The case was postponed until AFTER the election so that it wouldn't sway the public's vote.  That's a courtesy that's supposed to be given to all the candidates, but wasn't.  He already got his special treatment, now he's asking for more, because he's always gotten it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 12, 2016, 05:03:56 am
I don't understand these protesters. What's the end game?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 12, 2016, 05:12:43 am
And we have this...

(https://img.ifcdn.com/images/23594f7c02be2d78defc31b8d3f209fc90fa90245be4d1bc08da84f72ad54f92_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 12, 2016, 05:13:05 am
I don't understand these protesters. What's the end game?

They are just whining about not getting what they want. The Cupcake Nation is alive and well. I don't think they have an end game other than doing what they are doing. With that said, the Hollywood elite are now circulating a petition called the Hail Mary (http://deadline.com/2016/11/donald-trump-electoral-college-petition-to-overturn-election-1201853138/) with the idea of convincing 38 electors before inauguration day to change their vote to Clinton. Look, I despise Trump and as much as I hate the man on a personal level, to go down this road of altering election day results after the fact is a slippery slope that will wreck everything about the Constitution and America as a whole. You allow people to change the vote now....then you can expect the same thing EVERY 4 years when the losing side whines and cries about not getting what they wanted.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on November 12, 2016, 05:30:32 am
I did not hear about that thinking. Excellent point.

I don't get why protestors destroy their own city. In any event... even sport wins. It bogles the mind.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 12, 2016, 08:25:17 am
They're not whining.  They're scared. 

They're gay people who are frightened because we have a VP who believes in conversion therapy,and that gay people don't deserve ANY civil rights. 

They're latina people who are scared that their families are going to be ripped apart. 

They're Muslim people who are scared b/c the President-Elect's web site changed back to calling for a blanket ban of anyone of their faith from entering the country.

They're people who believe in the power of free speech terrified of a President Elect that could severely limit the First Amendment.

They're environmentalists who are scared because the Earth is passing the point of no return on climate change and the President Elect believes it's a hoax (it's not, and you guys know it).

They're women who are terrified that their abilities to control their bodies will be severely reduced by shutting down Planned Parenthood.

Some of them are among the 22 million people terrified they'll never get health insurance again if the ACA is repealed, which has been a Republican dream for years (they tried repealing it 62 times already).

They're people who realize that the next four years will be utterly devastating to the middle class (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572172/donald-trump-white-working-class).

They're protesting because these very important concerns were NEVER addressed on the news, or in the debates.  Remember, the actual air time on all three major networks actually DEVOTED to the issues over the entire year as 32 minutes.

You're right, though, the issue with the protests is that they don't have a clear goal, they were too spontaneous, too emotional.

But protests, when they have a purpose, have given us a LOT of things that we take for granted:

* The 40 hour work week
* unemployment insurance
* paid time off
* paid parental leave
* public schools
* social security
* medicaid
* medicare
* the Americans with Disabilities Act
* Title IX
* the end of acid rain
* the Clean Air & Water Acts
* the National Parks
* AIDS research and prevention
* the end of military conscription

I think what these protests will show is that, when the time comes for specific resistance to a policy, that there will be a turnout.  All this could simply just be roll call.


Now, if you want to talk about WHINING, the Trump supporters vowed to do this exact same thing if Hillary won-- except they were intending to be far more violent.  But again, they didn't have a goal in mind either.  And these same ones who were promising they would march are upset that the other side is marching.  Complete hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 28, 2016, 08:44:24 am
People Who Laughed at Trump and said he would never be President Donald Trump Compilation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyEXshBOwEU

A lot of faces....a lot of egg.
But, with the Recount underway.....who knows.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 06, 2017, 02:50:33 pm
Via Slate, Senators Who Think Benghazi Is Worst Scandal Ever Threaten to Turn Every Embassy Into Benghazi (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/06/cruz_and_rubio_threaten_to_turn_every_embassy_into_benghazi.html).   Basically, Cruz and Rubio, who screamed "BENGHAZI! for months on end," are threatening to cut funding for security and maintenance of ALL of our embassies by 50 percent unless the Isreali embassy is moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 10, 2017, 08:49:22 pm
So, purportedly the Russians have "video of Drumpf engagng in Golden Showers with  h o o k e r s ". Is anyone really shocked that he is into Golden Showers? It's only fitting that he is given the fact that he has been p*ssing on the American people for the past 2 years. Yeah, I get that this latest bit of news is most likely 'Fake News', but admit it, everyone is more prone to believing this than anything else. I do find it very telling, especially that of Liberal Networks like CNN that are running with the story as if this is legit, but they were sure to fire back against the idea of Clinton running a Pedo-ring out of a Pizza joint as being absurd.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 10, 2017, 10:49:05 pm
The BBC actually has a timeline of the Pizzagate debacle (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985), which if you remember or didn't know, was complete bullsh*t that didn't hold water or even pay attention to simple details, like the fact that the building doesn't have a basement.

And as for the peeing thing, what I can gather is that it's not that, it's that he hired hookers to pee on the bed because the Obamas had stayed there, some ridiculous, childish thing like that.  And I could see him doing that.

Now this dossier isn't confirmed, it could very well be false.  It does feed into the narrative that the Russians might be extorting Trump, and fits in with other patterns we're seeing, but this information itself we don't know if it's true or false.  We also have to bear in mind that the Intelligence Community is not happy with Donald Trump right now since he's rather dismissive of them and has made mention of wanting to reshape some of the agencies.

Quite frankly, I think the only way to know what's going on is to wait 20 years and read about it in a book... of which I'm sure there will be several.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 12, 2017, 07:38:27 pm
So as you may have heard, the Republicans voted at one in the morning on cutting key parts of the ACA, including pre-existing conditions and keeping children on their parents' plans.

And why?  Well, a report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities points out that the repeal would be a tax cut of about $7 million dollars a year to the 400 highest-income households in the US (http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/1-12-17tax.pdf).  And a tax increase for everyone else.  On top of making it far more difficult to get health insurance.

I'm amazed that between this, private prison, hydrofracking, that there isn't a consistent message from the opposition: "Your suffering is their profit."  You want a simple message?  That's it.  I've said it before and I've said it again, the current state of the Republican Party sees America as a piggy bank and gov't as the hammer.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2017, 06:48:12 am
Watching the Pre-Inauguration right now and they just had the Trumps and the Obama's standing side by side for their photo op (greeting each other, hugs, present) and this is the most awkward and uncomfortable thing I've ever witnessed. Just really weird and odd to see play out.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2017, 07:56:01 am
Hillary Clinton is seething right now. She looks piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssed that she has to even be there.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 20, 2017, 02:46:04 pm
Quote
Hillary Clinton is seething right now. She looks piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssed that she has to even be there.

Why is she there?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 20, 2017, 03:09:35 pm
Why is she there?

Free food at the buffet line. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 20, 2017, 04:02:03 pm
Tickets are cheap.  And she's a former first lady, you may have forgotten.  Protocol dictates former Presidents and First Ladies attend the inauguration.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 20, 2017, 07:02:11 pm
Damn your logic
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 21, 2017, 12:52:51 pm
Good Lord, we are in for a looooooong 4 years. Well, it took all of 20 minutes to see that Trump is just way out of his element (which we all knew anyway). He's at CIA Headquarters a few minutes ago to make amends and give reassurance to those in the intelligence agency....and what does he proceed to do? He b*tches, moans and whines that the Media is lying about his crowd turnout yesterday.

SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE F*CK!

This is what you want to focus on? Your f*cking crowds? You're in CIA Headquarters for f*ck sake. Act like it! Tell the people you've got their back and will support them in their job. And then exit stage left. F*CK!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 22, 2017, 08:10:06 am
Gawd, I hate this fake news stuff. This stuff is seriously dividing the country by leading folks on different paths.

I spent last weekend with a couple we really like, but took a abnormal amount of time, discussing politics. They decided to talk on about this golden shower scenario. They fully expected this is what will explode and impeach Trump. I got irritated because, not only are you taking my time talking about something that is probably not true, but it's Debbie Downer for a great fun evening.

One week later, not a peep by anybody, because why? Dunno. I can think of lots of reasons. It not true. It's a rumor. No evidence. People continue trying anything to topple Trump.

To what end.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mac on January 22, 2017, 08:12:36 am
Let me just say... I do not understand , now that Trump is president, the folks trying to make Trump fail. If he fails, don't we we Americans fail?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on January 23, 2017, 05:50:37 pm
Interesting article in New York Magazine about what happens when trust in institutions fail. (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/lessons-from-putins-russia-for-living-in-trumps-america.html)  Interesting, depressing, probably very relevant.  I kept thinking "how many of these negative assumptions am I making already? Back when I assumed most things WERE working the way they were supposed to?"

Imagine living in a country where you don't get out of the way of an ambulance and not caring about that.  Or worse, being in that ambulance.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 24, 2017, 07:07:26 am
Minnesota governor's collapse raises new health concerns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYd2iLGCrCY

Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 07, 2017, 05:01:23 pm
Via TheNation, House Republicans Just Voted to Eliminate the Only Federal Agency That Makes Sure Voting Machines Can’t Be Hacked (https://www.thenation.com/article/house-republicans-just-voted-to-eliminate-the-only-federal-agency-that-makes-sure-voting-machines-cant-be-hacked/)

From the article:

"It’s particularly ironic that the Trump administration is preparing to launch a massive investigation into nonexistent voter fraud based on the lie that millions voted illegally while House Republicans are shutting down the agency that is supposed to make sure America’s elections are secure. It’s more proof of how the GOP’s real agenda is to make it harder to vote."

That last part is the real point of it.  The narrow margins of "victory" that Drumpf got were due to gerrymandering and voter discrimination.  Limited polling places in non-white neighbourhoods, voter ID laws... if you're not likely to vote for Republicans, you shouldn't get to vote at all, basically.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on February 10, 2017, 11:34:24 am
Via Vice:

Donald Trump Is Living Out All the Ridiculous Stereotypes of a Female President (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/donald-trump-is-living-out-all-the-most-ridiculous-stereotypes-of-a-female-president)

I'm getting tired of articles that prove, yet again, that these snowflakes possess all the faults they accuse others of having, but it needs to be said enough times so that the public actually understands it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on February 16, 2017, 11:01:10 am
MELTDOWN!!

OMG! Drumpf is in full-on Meltdown mode right now on Live TV. The entire world is laughing at him and America right now at this ass-hat. Good Lord, this is beyond anything I have ever seen from anyone, let alone a sitting US President. This guy is just so far removed from reality its frightening. Now the Press/Media is really emboldened to take him to task with their questions and this in turn is fueling his meltdown right now. One of the reporters basically called out Drumpf that he wouldn't do anything about the Russian Spy Ship off the East Coast. As you can imagine, Drumpf did not like this at all. What's truly mind boggling is that he is STILL sucking Putin off while cradling his nutsuck and singing his praises every 5 minutes during this conference. Seriously, WTF!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on April 06, 2017, 07:00:20 pm
With the horrific news that Assad has news chemical weapons (again) against his own people, many being women and children, yesterday Trump came out to "admonish" his actions and vowing to make "things right". I put those statements in quotes because I just don't buy anything he sells. He's so full of sh*t that I'm just never going to take anything he says seriously. So, I'm actually stunned to hear the news that we are now bombing Syrian targets. I was convinced his statements were nothing more theater. It's about f*cking time we take the fight to Assad. F*ck him and his b*tch Putin. Put aside all the political bullsh*t we have been dealing with for years regarding this. It's time we (and our allies) step up and actually try and help the Syrian victims of his War Crimes.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 11, 2017, 05:10:54 pm
Drumpf is a f*cking idiot! Watching him trying to spin the James Comey firing in his interview with Lester Holt is laughable. Does he realize that he went on National TV and his OWN words admitted to breaking the law by asking Comey if he was under investigation? This is the same as the Lynch / Clinton meeting on the tarmac last year. Man, I can't wait to see Drumpf being impeached. It won't ever get that far because Drumpf is a coward and is going to put a gun in his own mouth and pull the trigger when the Feds get closer and closer to arresting his sorry ass.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 12, 2017, 06:22:22 am
And the hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper! Seriously, WTF! Drumpf threatens Comey (via Twitter) to keep him mouth shut and "hope that there aren't any tapes". Does Drumpf even realize that if there were any tapes, it wouldn't be the end of Comey, it would be the end of him since yesterday he went on the air and admitted that he ask Comey if he was under investigation. So, for the sake of argument, lets say Drumpf actually had tapes. HE CAN'T USE IT, because to do so would mean indicting himself. Good luck covering this up Drumpf.....you stupid dumbf*ck!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on May 16, 2017, 02:46:35 pm
So, for the last few days, it has been all about how Drumpf gave the Russian's Classified Secrets. If THAT isn't enough to impeach this motherf*cker, then the Breaking News that just dropped a few minutes ago with Drumpf telling Comey to drop the Flynn investigation will be enough to finally bury this piece of sh*t with Obstruction of Justice. Seriously, remove this f*cker from office now!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 11, 2017, 11:25:09 am
A growing list of undisclosed Russia meetings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meEom1eqG-Y


I went to bed last night when the news broke about Don Jr's Email with a Russian Lawyer and thought this could be the Smoking Gun (I know I said that elsewhere in this thread about another bombshell), but when I woke up this morning to find out that Donny-Boy release the email in full, which more or less confirms a willingness to collude with Russia in the hopes of getting Papa Drumpf elected, I was stunned. It's clear in what the email said and what Donny-Boy was hoping to get out of the meeting. There is no way the Drumpf Administration can spin this. This isn't a leak...this came from Don himself. They are sooooooooooooo f*cked and I can't wait for them to start falling. LOCK THEM UP! ALL OF THEM! THE ENTIRE ADMIN!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on July 12, 2017, 12:13:25 am
I keep thinking of Arrested Development.

"There's a chance I may have committed some... light treason.  First offense."

"I've never heard of a second."

"...I have the worst f*cking attorneys."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 12, 2017, 05:46:34 am
lol
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 12, 2017, 08:49:15 am
Speculation is running wild that now that Drumpf (The Old Man) is now, more than ever, boxed into a corner, he will fire Robert Mueller in a scorch Earth move. It's political suicide...but then again, the Republican party as a whole still refuses to distance themselves from him thus far.  I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the majority of them actually approve of the firing because they are all sheep.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 03, 2017, 05:03:37 pm
Robert Mueller impanels a Grand Jury today with subpoenas being issued to those tied to the Russian Meeting (The 3 Amigos). The noose is getting tight for the Drumpf family and cronies.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 08, 2017, 04:16:58 pm
We have to two biggest, whiniest Infants ever in the history of the world having a d*ck wagging contest between the two to see who is the bigger infant. Sigh. Seriously, SHUT THE F*CK UP DRUMPF! Your leading us into a potential War just so that you can look like a "bad ass" for your butt buddy Putin. UGH! The 'Fire and Fury' is contrived. It's like Drumpf spent 5 minutes trying to thinking of something to say that will be talked about 100 years from now by scholars. We will be lucky if we are around another 6 months with this ass hat in charge.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 09, 2017, 05:58:42 am
Trump Needs A News Fluffer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tdHH6qhdkI

This is both funny and pathetic at the same time. This isn't something we haven't already heard before...but to hear it here just makes him look more pathetic which is saying something.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 16, 2017, 07:24:56 am
I'm growing tired of barking "Remove this idiot from office" everyday. But after yesterday's combative press conference with Drumpf aligning himself with hate groups and blaming protester's who would dare speak up...it's now time for everyone that works in the administration or with him to denounce the man himself. I'm shocked that John Kelly is still standing behind this piece of sh*t.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 18, 2017, 09:28:03 am
Holy sh*t, that crybaby Nazi video that's been going around?  We've seen that jerk before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vQ5h8iWa0Q

What an *sshole.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 19, 2017, 03:20:00 pm
I remember that clip! But I never would have remembered to tie that clip to that p*ssy clip where he's bawling his eyes out as the b*tch that he is.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 08, 2017, 07:39:36 pm
Vicente Fox is Running for President of the United States


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukv9v7IGZw

This is f*cking awesome! I guarantee you that Drumpf is going to lose his sh*t when he sees this (if he hasn't already). He will definitely go on a twitter storm for sure. Fox 2020!!!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 23, 2017, 05:37:03 am
Kellyanne Conway's interview tricks, explained


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7fzHy3aG0&index=4&list=LLTVgXy5pOO9ff20O1Z1QPMw

Very interesting breakdown and analysis of her ability to....infuriate me every time she is on TV.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 11, 2017, 10:54:01 am
Eminem Rips Donald Trump In BET Hip Hop Awards Freestyle Cypher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LunHybOKIjU

A blistering condemnation of all things Adolf Drumpf. Epic doesn't do this justice. This story is about to blow up and Drumpf will no doubt go on a Twitter rant against Eminem.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on October 27, 2017, 06:00:50 pm
BREAKING NEWS: First charge in the Mueller Investigation is now happening. Who it is....they haven't said. My money is on Paul Manafort. Sh*t is about to implode in the White House. Yo Drumpf....your days are numbered motherf*cker!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 07, 2017, 05:39:43 am
Is Donald Trump Losing His Mind Or His Teeth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tbo1gRzH8s


His deep "breathing" when he talks has annoyed me for as long as I can remember. Now we know why he does this.

LOL!

This is f*cking hilarious. Once you see this, you can't un-see it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 13, 2017, 06:07:49 am
Doug Jones wins Alabama Senate race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWPsJ5O9NC0


Bwahahahahahahaha. Moore loses! Bwhahahahaha.
Now just go and disappear you f*cking pedo.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 13, 2017, 06:09:45 am
I thought the best headline last night when Doug was announced as the winner, they show the front cover of a newspaper that read "F*ck you and the horse you rode in on". PRICELESS!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on March 24, 2018, 10:49:02 am
Been watching the March For Our Lives telecast today and it's powerful seeing these kids acting like true leaders, the very thing that those in the Government are clearly not. A lot of great speeches from everyone. This really does feel like an historic event today. Those on the Hill should be very afraid because their time is running out. They will be unemployed by the time the next major Election comes around later this year.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 10, 2018, 04:24:49 pm
WARNING: The Dangers of Supporting Donald Trump (Compilation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR89DBzzVQ

There is a reason why I haven't posted in this thread in a long while: I'm sick of the political bullsh*t. But this video sums up everything that is wrong with America and those that are in the WH right now. #notwinning
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on July 20, 2018, 10:30:01 am
I've been livid the past week ever since that treasonous Summit between Adolf Drumpf and Putin. He sold us out and now we have to deal with the fact that he is inviting Mr KGB to the White House. This is unreal and has me deeply concerned, especially with the inaction of the GOP on Capitol Hill. Seriously, what the f*ck are they thinking to do nothing about this. Were is the outrage. Look, I expected this from Adolf and the GOP. My rage is in the fact that those spineless cowards are choosing not to do anything. Look at it this way, the American people are adrift out in the sea....we are drowning and just out of reach on a boat are the GOPer's and Adolf, hording and refusing to throw us life jackets to save us. Instead, they are using the life jackets to sit on as they laugh and drink their champagne as they mock those drowning.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 21, 2018, 02:08:20 pm
This is a monumental day. Manafort found guilty on 8 charges and Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts. Today will be looked back as THE day that starts the unraveling of Adolf Drumpf. Can he pardon Manafort.....I expect it. But that's not going to save Drumpf one bit. It's over motherf*cker. Get out of MY White House.....and get the f*ck out of America you f*cking traitor. Watching your downfall is going to be sweet sweet justice for everyone.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 21, 2018, 07:48:43 pm
Don't forget about Pence... I feel like the Repubs are gonna try to have him be POTUS even though he benefitted from Trump's actions and should be complicit, and we do NOT want that guy in charge.  He's Handmaid's Tale level of creepy.

I'm actually torn on what i want.  I do want Trump out of office and he should be gone, and I don't want to wait, but if it happens after the midterms, that means we could get a Democrat Speaker of The House instead of someone from an endless line of Repub *ssholes (many of whom are probably deeper into this stuff than we realize).  And since the speaker doesn't have to be a member of congress, I'm really wanting Joe Biden.  I think he would be an acceptable choice for a lot of people, and he doesn't have big aspirations... I think he would do a lot to restore faith in the office of the President and clean up this f*cking mess, even if he's only at it for two years.

Honestly, I don't know what is going to happen, this hasn't happened before.  Technically Hillary won the election (more people voted for her), but that could be seen as a coup and it would be so fitting for her to have won an election and STILL not become President.  It's par for the course for her career, isn't it?  Honestly, if the election is invalid I think that makes her win invalid too.  Not to mention, I can see a whole lot of Repubs and right-wiongers screeching about this being a coup and nonsense and I don't think we, as a country, could take that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 21, 2018, 07:50:46 pm
Oh, and I'm willing to bet that the Repubs will force Kavanaugh into the Supreme Court.  The one that says that a sitting President can't be indicted.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 21, 2018, 08:01:47 pm
One problem at a time. I know that Pence is waiting (salivating) at the prospect at becoming Fake Prez 2.0. That sh*t worries me even more based on past conversations we have had previously in this thread. But just get Drumpf the f*ck out of the Oval and then out of America. I rather he rot in another country instead of the American people having to foot the bill to feed and house him in Prison here. Who am I kidding, I want him in Prison here....thinking about his fake life and everything he has ever done. With that said, whoever ascends to the Presidency, it's going to be a f*cking mess. I'm okay with Biden stepping in, righting the ship and cleaning this up. As for Kavanaugh, no way in f*cking hell is he being confirmed. He can go around glad-handling everyone on the Hill all he wants, telling everyone what they want to hear.....but I can't see any Democrat falling for his spiel and thinking he will say true to his word as a member of the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 21, 2018, 09:02:38 pm
Dems don't have to fall for his spiel, they're still outnumbered... and they want their majority on the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 22, 2018, 04:01:21 am
Last I heard, there were a few Republican holds outs. But that could just be posturing on their part. With the GOP, I wouldn't count on them to do what is right.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2018, 11:17:33 am
Sh*t hitting the fan now! This is the beginning of the end.

Manafort CONVICTED
Cohen PLEADS GUILTY
Pecker IMMUNITY
Weisselberg IMMUNITY
Sessions STANDS UP TO DRUMPF

With the walls closing in on Adolf, I fully expected him to distract with some artificial shiny object to distract and sure enough, he orders Pompeo not to go to North Korea. Now you watch, this is where Adolf Drumpf will start a War or Words with Kim Jong-Un and when that doesn't distract, Drumpf will literally start an actual War with NK to get out of the Sh*t Storm he is in right now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 24, 2018, 12:00:35 pm
And you haven't even mentioned Pecker!  You know about THAT, right?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2018, 12:06:51 pm
And you haven't even mentioned Pecker!  You know about THAT, right?

4th Line from the Top in previous post.  :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on August 24, 2018, 12:11:41 pm
D'oh... it's so recent I kept thinking it would be at the bottom, and I thought you'd be freaking out about that way more.  A safe full of secrets?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2018, 12:20:25 pm
Well, it was an open secret that Pecker did these Catch and Kill's for Drumpf for years. The BIG news was him actually flipping on the guy that thinks 'flipping should be illegal'. Seriously, does he even realize just how f*cking stupid he sounds?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 24, 2018, 12:24:48 pm
The other big news today is of course John McCain discontinuing medical treatment. Hate to see anyone dealing with this. Wish him and his family peace in the coming days, weeks and months.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on August 25, 2018, 06:03:19 pm
Watch Live: John McCain, military hero & prominent Republican: Dead at 81

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=390eMQFDyB8

Stunned. I wasn't expecting this. I thought he had a few months. Was not expecting him to pass 1 day after ending treatment. RIP

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 05, 2018, 01:48:14 pm
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage)

This just dropped and is BLOWING UP right now. Everyone wants to know who it is and I have been going through a list of names I suspect. But the thing that tipped me off was that there was talk of initiating the 25th Amendment and I knew WHO the mystery writer is. It's Pence! It has to be. He's the one that benefits from this and by mentioning this, it just speeds up the process.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 14, 2018, 08:01:56 pm
Paul Manafort FINALLY flips today. Bout f*cking time!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on September 26, 2018, 02:43:53 pm
OMG!

This Press conference with Fake Prez is a TRAIN WRECK OF EPIC PROPORTIONS!

He's babbling. He's not making any f*cking sense. He is absolutely rattled and doesn't know how to handle this.

And yes, he absolutely told that Female Reporter to "SIT DOWN". That is going to come back and bite him in his fat ass big time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 07, 2018, 06:25:54 am
Well, the Midterm Elections came and went last night. Dems take the House, but the GOP retains the senate. Sure, I wanted both the House and Senate to flip to the Dems, but getting the House is a start. Dems better start doing what they say they intend to do and that's doing extensive oversight onto Drumpf. GET. HIS. TAX. RETURNS! I want to see Subpoenas and Indictments. I'm sick and tired of this Administration's "Above the law" mentality. Time for their to be consequences moving forward.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 07, 2018, 12:04:38 pm
Sessions just resigned. He's a f*cking p*ssy. By quitting, he just paved the way for Drumpf to basically bury the Mueller investigation with Drumpf handpicking a lackey that has a past for being anti-Mueller. Yeah, this Congress is a f*cking joke. They do nothing. Say nothing. Are nothing. F*ck them all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 07, 2018, 02:17:41 pm
The guy Drumpf picked, Whitaker (whose appointment may not be kosher, I'm not quite sure) wrote an op-ed saying that the Mueller investigation should be terminated or starved for funds.  First, that eventuality HAS to have been prepared for.  Second, Whitaker should have to recuse himself (not that I think he will) because of a conflict of interest with the Mueller investigation, he chaired a campaign for one of the witnesses in the investigation, a guy named Sam Clovis.

Also, I didn't think about this, but now that Sessions is out, he could be called as a witness.  Obstruction is one of the big charges facing Drumpf and now he could be called in to provide evidence, which he most likely has.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 07, 2018, 02:52:12 pm
I know that he will be asked to recuse himself. But we are living in this Sh*t Show called the Drumpf Administration. This Whittaker most likely doesn't give a f*ck who ask him to step aside. Given his past statements on what he thinks of Mueller, he won't be recusing himself at all and he most likely told Drumpf that he doesn't plan on doing that....just to lock down his new job.

Sigh.

This is America?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Neumatic on November 07, 2018, 03:14:16 pm
Oh, it gets worse, he supports "biblical justice." (https://rewire.news/article/2018/11/07/meet-trumps-new-acting-attorney-general-matthew-whitaker/).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on November 30, 2018, 09:59:44 pm
Fmr. President George H.W. Bush Dies At The Age Of 94 | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j7nt3Q7rw
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on December 07, 2018, 07:13:55 am
Drumpf in full meltdown mode. So, he is doing everything he possible can to change the narrative today by naming 3 cabinet positions for Attorney General, UN Ambassador and Chief of Staff. Nice try dumbf*ck, but it's not going to change the fact that Mueller is still going to release both Cohen and Manafort's filings today. But what I think this is all about is a forthcoming indictment of Adolf Jr. It's coming and no matter what Drumpf says and does, it's not going to change this outcome. Your days are numbered.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 08, 2019, 03:17:27 pm
Yesterday when news broke that Adolf Drumpf was going to deliver a speech from the Oval Office (tonight), I KNEW, absolutely KNEW that there would be a bombshell being dropped today to neuter Drumpf's impending propaganda Wall Speech. Well, I was right. News about Paul Manafort handing Polling Data to the Russian's was one bombshell (there's your collusion/conspiracy right there). The 2nd bombshell is Natalia Veselnitskaya being indicted as well. Hahaha. Try and stay on topic Adolf. You're going to hang yourself in front of millions of American's as you scream as you try to rant your way out of this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Chiprocks1 on January 25, 2019, 05:24:08 am
Roger Stone indicted and arrested at the break of dawn. Other's are expected to be indicted as well, with days. My money is on Adolf Jr.